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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] CHILD SEXUAL MOLESTATION'S - TWO RELIGIOUS GROUPS DIFFERENT TAKE ON THE PROBLEM:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [473B]
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:22 – 24, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As 2 Corinthians 13:11,says, [AV] “Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.” All genuine worshippers of Almighty God (YHWH), whould be per Romans 16:17, [AV] “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” And this is further testified to in Romans 15:5 – 6, [AV] “Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
[2] CHILD SEXUAL MOLESTATION'S - TWO RELIGIOUS GROUPS DIFFERENT TAKE ON THE PROBLEM:
All religious groups, counterfeit and genuine, are faced with clergy and members who are gross sinners, pedophiles. How they deal with them shows their concern for Biblical principles:
Consider two very different groups: Catholic and Jehovah's Witnesses:
Catholic Problem from News Media:
An article, "Scandal leaves gay priest bracing forinquisition," by Larry B. Stammer of the Los Angeles Times which said between 20 and 50 percent were either pedophiles or homosexuals,
"No one knows how many of the nation's 46,000 Catholic priests are homosexuals. At minimum, 20 percent of priests are believed to be homosexually oriented, according to the Rev. Donald Cozzens, author of the 'The Changing Face of the Priesthood.' Others say the number could be as high as 50 percent. Former priest and researcher H.W. Richard Sipe predicts that by 2010, homosexuals could well constitute a majority of Catholic priest." Whereas, Fritzie Green, Spokesperson for Singles, in her column 'Getting Personal,' in the Week Day newspaper, of June 7-13, Page 20, www.weekdaynewspaper.com, stated, "One scary aspect is now knowing how many of the nation's 46,000 Catholic priests are homosexuals. Consensus is from 20 to 50 percent could well constitute a majority of Catholic priests. On one hand, unbelievable, but on the other--are we surprised?"
Catholic Church Reaction:
Will the Catholic church really reform? Not very likely as shown by The New York Times in an Internet post. "American Bishops Allow Abusive Clergy to Remain in Priesthood Catholic bishops at a conference in Dallas today adopted a policy that will allow sexually abusive clergy to remain in the priesthood, but will bar them from having face-to-face contact with parishioners. Read More: www.nytimes.com/?8na "
Should this come as a surprise, not really, see, an article, "Scandal leaves gay priest bracing forinquisition," by Larry B. Stammer of the Los Angeles Times which said between 20 and 50 percent were either pedophiles or homosexuals, "No one knows how many of the nation's 46,000 Catholic priests are homosexuals. At minimum, 20 percent of priests are believed to be homosexually oriented, according to the Rev. Donald Cozzens, author of the 'The Changing Face of the Priesthood.' Others say the number could be as high as 50 percent. Former priest and researcher H.W. Richard Sipe predicts that by 2010, homosexuals could well constitute a majority of Catholic priest." Whereas, Fritzie Green, Spokesperson for Singles, in her column 'Getting Personal,' in the Week Day newspaper, of June 7-13, Page 20, www.weekdaynewspaper.com, stated, "One scary aspect is now knowing how many of the nation's 46,000 Catholic priests are homosexuals. Consensus is from 20 to 50 percent could well constitute a majority of Catholic priests. On one hand, unbelievable, but on the other--are we surprised?"
They only took the present half hearted measure of something significantly less than "0" tolerance when forced to do so by the news media; whereas, they should have thrown the bums out the minute they were discovered so not one more child would suffer damage. The Bible is clear on the subject, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:" Romans 1:20-31 is clearly correct with respect unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which deviant sex. The Catholic church surely was not ignorant of this scripture, but obviously choose to ignore it. This makes them all the more guilty in the sight of God for permitting his law to be broken especially when they deceitfully put themselves forth as his approved religious group on earth, and obviously false claim as recent events have clearly shown beyond doubt.
Jehovah's Witness Problem from News Media:
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09 May 2002 Letter to BBC Panorama
Why Christian parents can feel secure in their congregation worship
In responding to various inquiries from the British current affairs program Panorama, Jehovah's Witnesses give extensive details about their attitude toward the abhorrent crime of child molestation. They also explain their policies for handling occasions when an accusation occurs among their members. Of special interest - read why Christian parents can feel secure in the knowledge that much effort is put forth to screen out possible child abusers from appointment to responsible positions in congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Video News Releases
Education Through Publications
"[Jehovah's Witnesses] have some...very well-designed articles telling parents how to teach their children to deal with the molestation situation and in ways so that the child will feel secure about coming home and reporting it."-Dr. Rodney Stark, Professor of Sociology
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Jehovah's Witnesses Reaction:
The headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses, instead of vacillating on this issue as the Pope had done and the Cardinals and Bishops, quickly took a strong stand against child molestation. They immediately sent a strong letter to all their congregations throughout the world telling members to immediately report all molestation's to the authorities, but did not leave the matter there. They posted copies of all articles they had written on how to protect children against this on their web site for all to see and know the official stance on this issue and all other issues involving gross sin. For more factual details, go to www.watchtower.org.
It is strongly recommended that all readers of this post check out the links and see the truth for themselves.
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In the evening, I sat in my room and surfed the Internet on a laptop that I took with me. Closer to 11 o'clock in the evening the house became quiet. Apparently everyone went to bed. I felt a little tired. The day was busy. As a result, he also fell asleep. I woke up around 1 am and went to the kitchen to get some water. I returned to the room, where there was a faint light from the lamp on the nightstand next to the bed. I took off my shorts and lay down under a thin blanket. It was warm outside. The window in my room was open. There was a soft knock at the door. Kylie entered the room almost immediately. The girl was wearing a beautiful set of blue underwear.
- Of course not.
However, they didn't give me a break. My legs still continued to tremble when a new excited member entered my vagina. I gasped as I felt pressure on my erect clit, it almost hurt, but what a sweet pain it was! I was ready to continue.
He didn’t really want to talk about the fact that Ivan and Vika were fucking like rabbits, because he himself hadn’t been like that yet. And he was still a virgin in the usual sense.
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- Waiting, darling?
She replied that when the guy was, I still used the vibrator. My ex-boyfriend, not that often, but rather rarely brought me to orgasm. And he did not like to do cunnilingus at all. I had only two guys, but they were like alpha males, just give them a blowjob.
And then a black Hummer drives up to her, the window goes down and Gerk looks out from there.
She looked from the left, then from the right without touching, then from above, then from below, looking at the eggs. A minute later he got bored and he moved his pelvis to the right to the left not much, from which his cock pumped in front of her face. She smiled and said:
Yes, I’ll probably go already - Sasha began again.
“Wow,” I thought, but I didn’t argue, so naked so naked ... And without clothes I went to the kitchen.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] INACTION ON ITEMS WHERE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN OFTEN HAS UNPLEASANT CONSEQUENCES
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [474B]
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:22 – 24, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As 2 Corinthians 13:11,says, [AV] “Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.” All genuine worshippers of Almighty God (YHWH), whould be per Romans 16:17, [AV] “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” And this is further testified to in Romans 15:5 – 6, [AV] “Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: 6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
[2] INACTION ON ITEMS WHERE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN OFTEN HAS UNPLEASANT CONSEQUENCES.
A NEWSPAPER HEADLINE SHOWS ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES TO MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS FAILED TO TAKE ACTION WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE.
IMMIGRANTS FROM MUSLIM NATIONS FEAR WHAT TRUMP CHANGES WILL BRING [A HEADLINE By Hamed Aleaziz, San Francisco Chronicle, January 26, 2017
The Muslim religious leaders failed to take action against some of their members who became radicalized early on and significant wrongs were committed by these members. No other significant religion has failed to take action or have any of their members become radicalized. Who ever heard of a radizalised Methodist, Quaker, ISB, Amish, Etc.? The answer, no one.
They had many opportunities early on including a major wake-up on 9/11/2001 in New York and 7/7/2005 in the United Kingdom, but failed to act.
Now they are starting to protest against actions being taken by the new American President that he has taken because they DID NOT ACT WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE.
Some time ago, I actually wrote an article stressing their need to take action and what action was required, and here it is:
Guilt Comes On Organizations That Fail To Clean House Of The Wicked Ones:
INTRODUCTION:
First, The world we live in is ruled by the wicked one as testified to by 1 John 5:19, “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV). If we pick up a newspaper in any country, we find reports of cruelty and violence on an unprecedented scale. Man’s inhumanity to man is troubling for a righteous person to contemplate as testified to at Ecclesiastes 8:9, “All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.” (AV).
Second, Most individuals and/or groups seek to avoid responsibility for their own actions rather than take corrective actions. This also applies to so called religious groups that seek to absolve themselves of responsibility for the wrong actions of members, but fail, willingly, to take action against these wrong doers by purging themselves of these wicked ones.
THE REALITY:
If a religion fails to clean house of evil and wicked men when they are discovered, and especially of evil and wicked men/women taking the lead in a congregation, and/or congregations such as Pastors, Ministers, Sheiks, Imams, Bishops, Cardinals, Etc., then the religion is responsible for their wrong doing. Some religions such as Islam have never cleaned house of evil and wicked individuals when they are discovered and that religion has been violent since its beginning, and many of its members lust for violence in such acts as beheading of others, suscide bombers, makers of IEDs, etc. do to the teachings of their groups religious leaders. One notable example of an evil and wicked individual Islam well knows of who is a leader of a large group of members of Islam is Sheik Osama bin Ladin. Of course, Islam, is NOT the only religion that fails to take effective action against evil and wicked individuals and leaders of groups among them, another is the Catholic and Angalican churches that for many years just moved pedophiles to a new congregation when they were uncovered as the world's news media has so well identified. Groups seeking to keep themselves clean of evil and wicked individuals that sneak into their group take the appropriate action; to wit, they throw them out.
Now many religions seek to escape reality by claiming they have no provisions within their religion for purging out these wicked ones, but this is no excuse since it is their failure to provide measures for purging out these wicked ones and no one else’s.
Now let’s look at one such religion that tries to escape their responsibility for cleaning house so to speak.
ISLAM FAILS TO CLEAN HOUSE:
Now of course it is important to recognize that not all Muslims are terrorist and jihadists nor refuse to recognize the property rights of others, it is likewise equally important to recognize that all jihadists are members of Islam. Islam is totally responsible for their actions as they tacitly approve of their evil wrong doing and have never cleaned house of these wicked ones. To wit, by not doing so, they have taken on the responsibility for their wrongful actions upon themselves. Yes, of course they are not the only religion that has failed to clean house; thus taking on the guilt of these wrong doers. Any religion, no exception, which fails to clean house is nothing but an evil false religion. And as previously stated, ‘Now many religions seek to escape reality by claiming they have no provisions within their religion for purging out these wicked ones, but this is no excuse since it is their failure to provide measures for purging out these wicked ones and no one else’s.’
CONCLUSION:
Many are just fooling themself, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope (Pope Innocent III (1160 or 1161 – 16 July 1216)), what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion which is at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
Likewise the failure to clean house of evil ones puts their wrongs directly upon the organization failing to throw out evil/wicked ones when they are found out.
BUT THE LEADERS OF ISLAM WOULD RATHER PROTEST AGAINST THE BACKLASH THAN TAKE ACTION THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED A GREAT NUMBER OF EVIL VIOLENT ACTIONS. WHY? I DO NOT KNOW.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES - Matico With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [475B]
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As shown in Deuteronomy 32:- 29, [AV] “For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them. 29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!” clearly showing that many are ‘stiff necked’ and confident in their own wisdom instead of obeying Almighty God (YHWH). But those who desire truth shall seek after it and win God’s approval per Psalms 51:6, [AV] “Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.”
[2] THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES - Matico
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Matico (Piper aduncum) is a flowering plant in the family Piperaceae. Like many species in the family, the Matico tree has a peppery odor.
The fruits are used as a condiment and for flavoring cocoa.[3] It is sometimes used as a substitute for long pepper.
Traditional medicine
In the Amazon Rainforest, many of the native tribes use matico leaves as an antiseptic. In Peru, it was used for stopping hemorrhages and treating ulcers, and in European practice in the treatment of diseases of the genitals and urinary organs, such as those for which cubeb was often prescribed.[4]
Characteristics
Matico is a tropical, evergreen, shrubby tree that grows to the height of 6 to 7 meter (20 to 23 ft) with lance-shaped leaves that are 12 to 20 centimeter (5 to 8 in) long. It is native to Southern Mexico, the Caribbean, and much of tropical South America. It is grown in tropical Asia, Polynesia, and Melanesia and can even be found in Florida, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. In some countries Matico is considered as an invasive weed.[2] In parts of New Guinea, although Matico is notorious for drying out the soil in the areas where it is invasive, the wood of this plant is nonetheless used by local residents for a myriad of uses such as for fuel and fence posts.[5]
Etymology
According to legends, the plant was discovered by a wounded Spanish soldier named Matico.[2] He learned, presumably from the local tribes, that applying the leaves to his wounds stopped bleeding, and it began to be called "Matico" or "soldier's herb". It was introduced into the profession of medicine in the United States and Europe by a Liverpool physician in 1839 as a styptic and astringent for wounds.[2]
Notes
1. ^ Barlow, Prof. Snow (2003). "Sorting Piper names". University of Melbourne. Retrieved 2007-03-29.
2. ^ a b c d Taylor, Dr. Leslie (2006). "Technical Data Report for Matico (Piper aduncum, angustifolium)" (PDF). Raintree Nutrition, Inc. Retrieved 2007-03-29.
3. ^ Seidemann, Johannes (2005). World Spice Plants: Economic Usage, Botany, Taxonomy. Springer. p. 289. ISBN 3-540-22279-0.
4. ^ Remington, Joseph P. (Ed); Horatio C. Wood (1918). "The Dispensatory of the United States of America". Retrieved 2007-03-29.
5. ^ Siges, T.; A.E. Hartemink, P. Hebinck & B.J. Allen (2005). "The invasive shrub Piper aduncum and rural livelihoods in the Finschhafen area of Papua New Guinea". Human Ecology 33 (6): 875–893. doi:10.1007/s10745-005-8214-7. Retrieved 2007-04-16. (source - retrieved from on 3/25/2013)
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
Pictures of this plant and its fruit can be viewed at,
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Leaving the station, we took a taxi and went to the hotel. Tanya sat next to the taxi driver, and I was in the back seat. All the way to the hotel, the wife made eyes at the young driver. He helped bring things to the room. Tanya took money from me for a taxi and said that she did not take her small handbag from the car. The wife went downstairs with the taxi driver. I took out of the suitcase the things that we would need in the morning in the room and lay down on the bed to watch TV. An hour later, Tanya did not return. I called her, but she didn't pick up the phone. She returned to her room an hour later. I managed to go to the shower and lay on the bed in one towel. Tanya was in a good mood. She took off her shorts and T-shirt, under which there was no bra, and went to the shower. In the pocket of the shorts were the money that the wife had to pay the taxi driver. I followed her. The door was open. Tanya washed in the shower. Her red panties lay on the floor. They were in fresh semen.
I quickly poured the rest in a bottle and we drank on brotherhood. And I immediately kissed Aunt Olya. The kiss was clearly not friendly. And the woman was a little embarrassed.
I knew it was your weak spot!
I insert a silicone tube there and suck out the sperm from there.
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And from me?
It costs 700. answered Gorr. From his words, Borov's eyes nearly popped out of their sockets.
Kiss me there.
I put the dildo on the suction cup on the floor, turned my back to him, knelt down and felt Zhenya slap me on the ass. She immediately began to burn and pinch madly.
I think you're a fan of the dark forces. I also like to read all sorts of stories, although I'm scared and I read them slowly. And then I hide under the covers and it seems to me that there are a lot of different evil spirits there. So I'm dropping it.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DISCOURSE AGAINST DEVIANT SEX ACTS AND NEED FOR REPENTANCE:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [478B]
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, life eternal is knowing the only true God, Almighty God (YHWH), and His son, Jesus (Yeshua), and not from greedy gain per Proverbs 15:27, [AV] “He that is greedy of gain troubleth his own house; but he that hateth gifts shall live.” Aman should speak with joy per Proverbs 15:23, [AV] “A man hath joy by the answer of his mouth: and a word spoken in due season, how good is it!” As 1 Samuel 8:23, [AV] “And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.” And onto God and His son.
[2] DISCOURSE AGAINST DEVIANT SEX ACTS AND NEED FOR REPENTANCE:
INTRODUCTION AND DATA ON REPENTANCE:
An individual once stated, "There is a difference between a burdened sinner who is seeking deliverance, and a willful, unburdened sinner, who does not want forgiveness. One who tries to justify his actions. Just like Pilgrims progress, Christian did not receive a burden till he started reading the scriptures. His neighbors in the city of destruction did not have burdens...I don't know if any of you are familiar with that story". This point is truly brought home when we consider what repentance means, a change of thinking. In other words, one can change his life and be forgiven, but one can not continue to willfully lead a sinful life and expect to be forgiven. Let's look in more detail at repent--"to Change the Mind":
The word metanoeo, expresses the true New Testament idea of the spiritual change implied in a sinner's return to God. The term signifies "to have another mind," to change the opinion or purpose with regard to sin. It is equivalent to the Old Testament word "turn." Thus, it is employed by John the Baptist, Jesus, and the apostles (Matthew 3:2; Mark 1:15; Acts 2:38). The idea expressed by the word is intimately associated with different aspects of spiritual transformation and of Christian life, with the process in which the agency of man is prominent, as faith (Acts 20:21), and as conversion (Acts 3:19); also with those experiences and blessings of which God alone is the author, as remission and forgiveness of sin (Luke 24:47; Acts 5:31). It is sometimes conjoined with baptism, which as an overt public act proclaims a changed relation to sin and God (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 13:24; 19:4). As a vital experience, repentance is to manifest its reality by producing good fruits appropriate to the new spiritual life (Matthew 3:8). [source = International Encyclopedia of the Bible]Now let's examine what the scriptures say on the subject of deviant sex in brief:
DEVIANT SEX CONDEMNED BY THE WORD OF GOD:
God will punish those who practice illicit sexual relationships is made very clear by his actions in the past as shown by his destruction of the inhabitants of ancient Sodom for the practice of male with male and female with female which now is also known as Sodomy due to the well known sinful practice of sodomy among the inhabitants of ancient Sodom. Their sinful practice of sodomy was so salient that Moses wrote at Genesis 14:13 under God's inspiration, "...the inhabitants of Sodom were very wicked in the sins they committed against the Lord." (New American Bible, , St. Joseph Edition (Catholic Book Publishing Company); NAB). Their evil practice of sodomy was so flagrant they even tried to have sodomy relationships with materialized angles of God as recorded at Genesis 19:1-7, "The two Angles reached Sodom in the evening...Before they went to bed, all the townsmen of Sodom, closed in on the house. They called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them.'" (NAB). Because of their wicked action God destroyed the Sodomites as recorded at Genesis 19:24, "Then the Lord rained upon Sodom...brimstone and fire...out of heaven;" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
In fact, God so detested the practice of sodomy he not only destroyed Sodom, but caused several Bible writers to specifically warn his followers against this practice. Moses wrote under inspiration at Leviticus 18:22. "You shall not lie with a male as with a women; such A thing is an abomination." (NAB), and the Apostle Paul wrote at I Timothy 1:9-10, "...for persons lawless and unruly,...fornicators, men who lie with males...and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teaching." (New World Translation; NWT). Also, Hebrews 13:4 plainly shows that all illicit sex practices are condemned by God as follows, "...but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge," (AV).
Therefore let no one deceive you--illicit sexual practices brings God's disfavor as shown by many passages in God's written work, the Holy Scriptures. This point is made clear at Romans 1:24-27, " Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet." (NWB). Rightly, as stated in the Bible at Ecclesiastes 7:29, "Behold, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many devices." (The Revised Standard Version: RSV). These works or plans of the fallen flesh are clearly identified, and Corinthians 6:13 states, "...God will do away with them in the end--but the body is not for immorality; it is for the lord...." (NAB). In addition, I Corinthians 6:18 warns all wishing to win God's favor to, "Shun lewd conduct." (NAB), since this sin is within the body; whereas, "Every other sin a man commits is outside his body." (NAB). Also, I Corinthians 7:2 warns us to avoid illicit sexual relations in the following words, "But to avoid immorality...." (NAB). The Apostle Paul in his letter to the Colossians warned at Colossians 3:5, "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence..." (AV).
LIVES MUST BE BROUGHT IN HARMONY WITH GOD'S (YHWH'S) WORD:
Let's see what the Bible has to say with regard turning our life around.
First consider:
"This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness." (Ephesians 4:17-24 AV) which clearly shows we must strip off the old personality with its works of uncleanness and greed. This would include depraved sexual lust, God dishonoring false dogma, greed, hate of fellow man, hedonism, lasciviousness, etc.
Now consider:
" For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:" (1 Peter 4:3 AV) which just reinforces what was said in Ephesians, clearly showing we must turn our lives around and STOP walking in "lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries [these would include belief in false dogma, practices and traditions including hero worship]:"
Likewise:
" Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:" (Colossiams 3:5-10 Av). This scripture once more clearly shows we must STOP practicing "fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:" Therefore we can see for true repentance, we must cease and decease from practices that are NOT approved by God (YHWH).
TRUE REPENTANCE REQUIRED WHEN ONE TURNS TO GOD:
Clearly the Bible shows true repentance required when one turns to God; let's review a pertinent scripture on this subject:
" But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance." (Acts 26:20 AV). Ah, here we see, we must do works that "meet for repentance." What could some of these works be? Well some of these words would be ceasing to do the things one previously did that go against his laws and principles and that bring dishonor to him. What are some of these? Well as previously shown, these would be such things as lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries [these would include belief in false dogma, practices and traditions including hero worship], of course it would not be limited to simply not doing these wrongs, but would require effort to counteract the effects of your previous wrongs such as exposing false dogma, starting to love your fellow man, and ceasing to live a hedonistic life style and warning others against such things as deviant sex, illegal drug use, and other debasing things.
Remember:
" The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9 AV). This should clearly behoove us to turn our life around. It should be clear that Almighty God (YHWH) takes no delight in those who refuse to do so. This is made clear, "11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live." (Ezekial 33:11-16 AV).
In fact:
" I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance." (Luke 15:7 AV), clearly shows that God (YHWH) and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) are made joyful by sinners who truly repent.
CHRISTIAN TEACHING EMPHASIS REPENTANCE:
At " And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14 AV) Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) gave the command to his true followers to witness to the nations and this is clearly emphasized as follows:
"Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15 AV). Therefore, for true repentance acceptable to God (YHWH) and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) to take place action on our part to make the word of God (YHWH) know to others is required.
In fact, this is so important that repentance can only take place:
" And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:47 AV)
This truth is further highlighted as:
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." (Acts 17:30 AV). From this we can see ignorance will no longer be tolerated clearly showing ignorance of God (YHWH) dishonoring dogma and of his laws and principles will no longer be tolerated by God (YHWH) or by his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves). Therefore, it is truly important, as shown by this scripture to turn our life around.
Also, true repentance requires faith:
"And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21 AV) clearly that our leader, Christ Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) the only " For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5 AV) " taught publickly and from house to house"; therefore it is clear we to should "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."
Last, but not Least:
" And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:47 AV); which is in complete harmony with the commission Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) put on ALL his genuine followers as follows, " And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14 AV)
WHAT HAPPENS IF IN A MOMENT OF WEAKNESS WE COMMIT A SIN?:
First we must remember our savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua or YHWH saves) is compassionate in carrying out his assignment given to him by his Father (YHWH), "19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:19-28 AV).
" My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" (1 John 2:1 AV); clearly shows we have an "advocate with the Father" who will assist those genuinely trying to live their lives in harmony with God's (YHWH's) will so we should fear not in these cases.
This compassionate nature of our savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua or YHWH saves) is made even clearer by:
"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galations 6:1-2 AV). As can be seen from this scripture that if one inadvertently takes a false step we are under obligation to "ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." This would be of no purpose if the errant one's mistake could not be corrected.
Therefore, because we are all sinners, in order to merit the mercy and compassion of our leader Jesus Christ (Yeshua or YHWH saves) we must:
" Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." (Revelation 2:5 AV), thus true repentance is the key to our savior extending his love and mercy to us.
NOW, WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR MERCY?:
First, we must confess our sins and wrong beliefs to God (YHWH) through his Son and only mediator between God and man, and not to some false mediator or go between such as a priest, statue of a saint or the Virgin Mary, etc.
" He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13 AV)
And:
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:9 AV).
And:
" I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah." (Psalms 32:5 AV)
So we can see from the above scriptures, it is necessary to confess our sins to God (YHWH) through his Son and only mediator between God and man, and not to some false mediator or go between such as a priest, statue of a saint or the Virgin Mary, etc.
HOWEVER, NO REPENTENCE IS POSSIBLE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ACCEPT GOD'S MERCY AND THEN RETURN TO A WILLFUL PRACTICE OF DISBELIEF AND SIN:
It is clearly shown that it is impossible for those who once enlightened willfully return like " But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:22 AV) to gain the benefits of repentance, or in other words, once saved is not always saved:
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:" (Hebrews 6:4-11 AV)
And:
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:26-31 AV)
And:
"For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:" (2 Peter 2:20-22 AV).
As can clearly be seen, as stated at the beginning of this section "it is impossible for those who once enlightened willfully return like " But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:22 AV) to gain the benefits of repentance, or in other words, once saved is not always saved:"
MERCY AND COMPASION LIKE THE MERCY AND COMPASSION OF OUR SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST IS REQUIRED OF US:
Just as Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) extends mercy and compassion to us, we must also extend it to others:
"Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
3 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." (Luke 17:3-4 AV)
And:
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 6:14-15 AV)
Which clearly shows that if we are genuine followers of our leader and savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua or YHWH saves) we must be like him and extends mercy and compassion to others.
LAST, WHAT IS THE INDICATION OF TRUE REPENTANCE?:
Clearly we must first:
" If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (2 Chronicles 7:14 AV)
We must turn back from our former wrong course of action and false belief:
"When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live." (Ezekial 33:13-16 AV)
And:
"Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" (Ezekial 18:30-31 AV)
This need to turn your life around and repent is once more emphasized in the New Testament:
" Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;" (Acts 3:19 AV)
Last, but not least, remember we must confess our transgressions to God (YHWH) in prayer through his Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) who is the only " For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5 AV), and as his assignment from his Father (YHWH) mediates towards us " But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises." (Hebrews 8:6 AV):
" He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13 AV)
SAME SEX SEXUAL ACTS ALWAYS DEVIANT SEX:
I think it's important to distinguish between "homosexuality" and same-sex ACTS. The Bible does not really address the former (which is a term invented by a 19th century German pyschologist), but it definitely deals with the latter. To use an analogy, the Bible doesn't mention "kleptomania" (a psychological condition) but it does prohibit the act of theft. Likewise it prohibits same-sex in both the new and the old testament with the first prohibition being recorded in approximately 1513 B.C.E. over 3,500 years ago, for details go to Leviticus and read the 18th. Chapter. In the new testament go to Romans the 1st, Chapter.
Given the above, the question of whether or not certain individuals are born with a genetic tendency to homosexuality or homosexual behavior is irrelevant from a Biblical standpoint. According to the Scriptures, all of us are born with an inclination to practice immorality of one kind or another. (cf. Gen. 6:5) This does not excuse the behavior, of course, anymore than a person giving into the temptation to rob a bank. People are responsible for their behavior.
Pro-gay advocates often use the argument that the Bible doesn't address homosexuality. While that is true, strictly speaking, it's a red herring in relation to the Bible's stance on same-sex intercourse.
NO JUSTIFICATION FOR DEVIANT SEX ACTS:
No matter how one tries to justify or excuse ANY form of deviant sex, i.e., adultery, fornication, sodomy, bestiality, pedophilism, etc., The Bible shows it as just plain wrong. There is no excuse for any of it any more than there is for murder or genocide. Let's look at a few scriptures, all from the American Standard Version, on the subject:
Matthew 5:28:
but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Romans 1:27:
and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
1 Corinthians 10:6:
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Galatians 5:6:
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Phesians 2:3:
among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:--
1 Timothy 4:5:
not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who know not God;
James 1:14:
but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.
James 1:15:
Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown, bringeth forth death.
1 Peter 2:11:
Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lust, which war against the soul;
2 Peter 1:4:
whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.
2 Peter 2:20:
but chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of defilement, and despise dominion. Daring, self-willed, they tremble not to rail at dignities:
1 John 2:6:
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vain glory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:17:
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Now those who disagree with these scriptures are usurping God's (YHWH's) rightful place with respect what is right and what is wrong.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] DISCOURSE ON WHAT THE EARLIEST OF CHRISTIANS BELIEVED
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [481B]
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34 – 35, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Clearly love is the defining attribute for all of Jesus’ (Yeshua’s) followers, and this reality is clearly shown at John 15:9 – 10, [AV] “As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.” In fact, Jesus (Yeshua) gave this as a specific commandment at John 15:12, [AV] “This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.” In addition, he said at Romans 13:8, [AV] “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.”
[2] DISCOURSE ON WHAT THE EARLIEST OF CHRISTIANS BELIEVED
To understand what the earliest Christians believed we need to have an accurate understanding of who they were and where they had for the most part came from. The first Christians came out of Judaism and were strict monotheists. When they became Christian they maintained their monotheistic ways. Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) himself was born a Jew, he was trained by his Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teachings were Jewish to the foundation; yes, he preached a new gospel, but he did not preach a new theology. As proof of this he accepted and quoted continually from the great test of Jewish monotheism, the divinely inspired Hebrew Text that we commonly call the Old Testament, and proclaimed “ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” (Deuteronomy 6:4 AV). In the grammar of this verse, the word ‘one’ has no plural modifiers to even suggest it applied to anything other than one individual. Tom Harpur states, "As early as the 8th century, the Theologian St. John of Damascus frankly admitted what every modern critical scholar of the NT now realizes: that neither the Doctrine of the Trinity nor that of the 2 natures of Jesus Christ is explicitly set out in scripture. In fact, if you take the record as it is and avoid reading back into it the dogmatic definitions of a later age, you cannot find what is traditionally regarded as orthodox Christianity in the Bible at all." -- For Christ's Sake. And, The Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching." -- (1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L. And "The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief. The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of "person" and "nature: which are Gk philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as "essense" and "substance" were erroneously applied to God by some theologians." Dictionary of the Bible by John L. McKenzie, S.J. p. 899
PART 2:
During his life, while he was gathering followers, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) never claimed to be God. Always in everything he said and did he never considered himself as being equal to God in any way, not in power, not in knowledge, and not in age. In all periods of his existence, both on earth and in Heaven, he always spoke and acted as a subordinate to his Father, Almighty God (YHWH). He was always the lessor or subordinate one to Almighty God (YHWH). After his resurrection by his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), he told Mary Magdalene to tell his disciples, ““ Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17 AV). This clearly showed that the resurrected Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) although now a mighty spirit being was still not Almighty God (YHWH). As reported by the Apostle John in the last book of the Bible, Revelation, “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” (Revelation 1:5-6 AV), “ Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” (Revelation 3:12 AV). Also, Paul confirms his relationship to Almighty God (YHWH) “ Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;” (2 Corinthians 1:3 AV).
The Apostle Paul clearly spoke of Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) and Almighty God (YHWH) as distinctly separate individuals “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6 AV), and also shows this clear diferentiation when he mentions “ I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.” (1 Timothy 5:21 AV).
Very significantly Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) tole the Jews, “ For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38 AV), then further draws the distinction between himself and Almighty God (YHWH) by saying “ And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.” (Mark 10:18 AV). Also, most significant are his words “It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.” (John 8:17-20 AV). Thus Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) shows that he and his Father, God Almighty (YHWH) must be two distinct individuals as how else could there really be two witnesses?
When Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) started his ministry as he came out of the baptismal water, his Father, God Almighty (YHWH) spoke, “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:16-17 AV). God Almighty (YHWH) definitely was not saying that he was his own son, and that he approved of himself or sent himself. Absolutely not, he was saying as the supreme one (superior one) that he was approving a lessor one, his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). Again Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) acknowledged his Father’s superiority when he said, “ The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,” (Luke 4:18 AV). This was when he, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) was given authority or commission by his superior Almighty God (YHWH) and only a superior can give authority to a lessor one or subordinate.
Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) continued to make his Father’s superiority very clear as shown when the mother of two of his disciples asked that her two sons sit one on the right and one on the life of Jesus when he came into his Kingdom, and Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) told her, “ And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.” (Matthew 20:23 AV). If Jesus had also been Almighty God (JHWH) those positions would have been his to give, but since he was not, they were not his to give. In fact Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) own prayers are a clear proof of his subordinate position to Almighty God (YHWH), “And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:41-42 AV). Obviously he was praying to someone other than himself and that someone would have to be superior to him as it would require a superior to be able to answer his prayers.
When his death as a human neared, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) cried out, “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias. 36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down. 37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. 38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. 39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Obviously he was not deserted by himself and surely that cry was not from someone who thought himself to be God, but from one who recognized a superior. This is clearly shown by “ And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” (Luke 23:46 AV). This clearly showed beyond doubt that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) trusted in a superior one, Almighty God (YHWH) to resurrect him. After he died, he was dead and in a tomb for parts of three days. If he were God (YHWH) the Bible would be at odds with itself as “ Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.” (Habakkuk 1:12 AV) would be wrong. Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), however, was resurrected by God (YHWH) and this is made clear at “ Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.” (Acts 2:24 AV), i.e., the superior, Almighty God (YHWH) did indeed resurrect the lessor one, his son, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves).
Now Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) prophecy about the end-times stated, “ But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32 AV). If Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had been the Almighty God (YHWH) he would have known the exact time for the end-times; however, since he was not, he did not know it. Likewise, “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;” (Hebrews 5:8 AV). Now can we imagine that Almighty God had to learn anything; this is patently ridicules. Also, God (YHWH) does not have to obey anyone as he is the supreme one whether those deluded in believing in a trinity recognize it or not.
Many misinformed individuals point to “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:” (John 5:18-22 AV) as support for a Trinity; however, it clearly says that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) because he said “God was his Father, “ but who said that he was making himself equal to God (YHWH). Definitely not Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) as he defended himself against this false accusation “The answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do” in the very next verse, see above. Thus Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) showed the Jews that he was not equal to God and thus could not act on his own initiative. Also, “I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;” (John 10:30-35 AV). Here Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) was showing the Jews they were one in purpose, but not the same entity as he made clear in what sense he was using the title God, “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;” thus anyone trying to use this scripture to prove a trinity or even a duality is definitely coming to a wrong conclusion.
To gain a better understanding of what Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) meant by being “one” with the Father (YHWH) “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 ¶ Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (John 17:21-26 AV), clearly shows as previously stated they were one in purpose just as Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) is one in purpose with his genuine follower. As an example let’s consider “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.” (1 Corinthians 3:6-9 AV) clearly drives home about how they are ‘one’ just as Apollos and Paul are ‘one.’ They were definitely two different individuals. It is interesting to note that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) says “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one,” he uses the word ‘one’ (Jewish, hen) in these cases, which proves he was speaking of unity of thought and purpose, but not two individuals existing as one entity.
PART 3
Now let’s consider the thoughts of his Apostles and Disciples as the earliest Christians.
The Apostle Paul clearly believed that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) and Almighty God (YHWH) were two distinct individuals for he wrote, “ For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:” (Hebrews 9:24 AV), and it would clearly be absurd to believe an individual would appear before himself.
Likewise the Apostle Peter believed they were two separate entities and made this clearly known when speaking of the resurrection of Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), “Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.” (Acts 5:31-32 AV), and Paul also says, “Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:9-11 AV). If he was also God (YHWH), how could Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) be exalted to a superior position?
Just before being stoned to death, the martyr Stephen (a disciple of Jesus) “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.” (Acts 7:55-58 AV). Obviously Stephen saw two separate individuals in the vision.
The Apostle John clearly believed that they were too separate individuals with Al Mighty God (YHWH) being the superior as shown by “And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. 1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 ¶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.” (Revelation 4:8-5:7 AV), it is clear here that the individual on the throne is Almighty God (YHWH) and the “Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David…stood a Lamb” clearly refer to Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves). This proves that the Apostle John did not believe in a trinity or even a “duality.” An interesting commentary on this, states, “In his post-resurrection heavenly life, Jesus is portrayed as retaining a personal individuality every bit as distinct and separate from the person of God as was his in his life on earth as the terrestrial Jesus.” (the “Bulletin of the John Rylands Library,” Manchester, UK).
Likewise Thomas, who had to have everything proven to him, considered Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) a subordinate to Almighty God (YHWH) “The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Of course some will say Thomas was calling Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), Almighty God (YHWH), but he was not, but was simply recognizing as one superior to himself. The actual Koine Greek God (ho The·os'): however, some scholars have clearly viewed this expression as an exclamation of astonishment spoken to Jesus, but directed to God. Others claim the original Koine Greek requires these words to be considered as directed to Jesus. Either way, this expression “My Lord and my God” would still have to harmonize with the rest of the Bible. The record shows that Jesus had previously sent his disciples the message, “ Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17 AV), thus there is absolutely no reason for believing that Thomas thought that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) was Almighty God (YHWH).
Clearly all of Jesus’s (Jeshua or YHWH saves) Apostles and Disciples knew that he was not Almighty God (YHWH) and this is shown many times by what is written in the New Testament as previously gone over. In addition, there are many more scriptures that clearly show this and Jesus’s (Jeshua or YHWH saves) subordinate position such as:
“ Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 AV), “ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 AV), “ And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 AV), “ Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19 AV), etc. Likewise, Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) clearly taught his followers not to worship him, but to worship Almighty God (YHWH) as shown, “ Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Matthew 4:10 AV), “ But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” (John 4:23 AV), “ God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24 AV), “ Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17 AV), “ And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Luke 4:8 AV), etc. It is to be noted that Almighty God (YHWH) used Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) to create all things on earth, “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;” (Colossians 1:16-19 AV), “2 The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.” John 1:2-4 AV), “ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.” (John 1:10 AV).
PART 4
Let’s now consider what some of the early ‘church’ fathers thought. But first let’s look at what “The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology,” “Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as subsequently elaborated in the creeds,” and what the book, “The Paganism in Our Christianity,” says, “The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the idea [trinity] to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God [YHWH] the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised…the Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One.” In fact it was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages and this is clearly shown in “The Two Babylons,” by Rev. Alexander Hilsop ( (The Two Babylons on the Internet)), and in the “Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics.” The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: "The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." - (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299. Last but not least, "The Church of the First Three Centuries," by Alvan Lamson stated, "The modern popular doctrine of the Trinity..derives no support from the language of Justin [Martyr]: and this observation may be extended to all the ante-Nicene Fathers; that is, to all Christian writers for three centuries after the birth of Christ. It is true, they speak of the Father, Son, and...holy Spirit, but not as co-equal, not as one numerical essence, not as Three in One, in any sense now admitted by Trinitarians. The very reverse is the fact."
The Ante-Nicene Fathers were acknowledged leading religious teachers in the early centuries after the death of Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves); therefore, what they taught and believed:
Justin Martyr, died approximately 165 A.D., stated that Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) had been a created angel who is “other than the God who made all things,” before coming onto the earthly scene. He said that Jesus was inferior to God and “never did anything except what the Creator…willed him to do and say.”
Clement of Alexandria, died approximately 215 A.D., called God “the uncreated and imperishable and only true God.” He stated that the Son “is next to the only omnipotent Father” but not equal to him.
Irenaeus, died approximately 200 A.D., stated that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him. He showed that Jesus is not equal to the “one true and only God,” who is “supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other.
Tertullian, died approximately 230 A.D., taught the supremacy of God. He observed: “The Father is different from the Son, as he is greater; as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent.” Also, he stated: “There was a time when the Son was not…Before all things God was alone.” Note: “The Doctrine of The Trinity defies the universally accepted and historically always held meaning of the words for father and son. Not only does it defy the meaning of these words, it destroys their meaning! This fact is important to realize for God gave us language. It was not invented by man as the evolutionist tries to say. Thus, we are not destroying man made terms, but God-given terms! These terms, as given to us by God, require that the father exists before the son, and for the son to be brought into existence by the father. This universally accepted and recognized definition is what these terms have meant from the beginning of this creation. Therefore, who has given anyone the authority to change these God-given terms now? In fact, The Lord Jesus Christ verifies the meaning of these terms when he says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him." John 13:16 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28. Here, he establishes that God is his lord, that he was sent by his lord, that God is his Father, and that his Father is greater than he himself. How could any of these declarations be true if the Doctrine of The Trinity is true? It is clearly impossible for these declarations of The Lord Jesus Christ to be true and the Doctrine of The Trinity to be True! It is easy to see that these words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Doctrine of the Trinity are mutually exclusive and opposing views!” [from a letter of of Bro. Scaramastro one of the greatest exposers of false doctrine of all times of the Antipas Organization].
Further with respect Tertullian, The Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word [tri'as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180 . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian." However, this is no proof in itself that Tertullian taught the Trinity. The Catholic work Trinitas - A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, for example, notes that some of Tertullian's words were later used by others to describe the Trinity. But then it states: "But hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology."
Hippolytus, died approximately 235 A.D., stated that God is “the one God, the first and the only One, the Maker and Lord of all,” who “had nothing co-eval [of the same age] with him…But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it called into being what had no being before,” one of these created individuals being the created prehuman Jesus.
Origen, died approximately 250 A.D., stated “the Father and Son are two substances…two things as to their essence,” and “compared with the Father, [Jesus, the son] is a very small light.”
As Alvan Lamson stated in “The Church of the First Three Centuries,” see the first part of PART 4 above, the early church fathers, ante-Nicene Fathers, had no belief in a Trinity of a co-equal, not one in a numerical essence, nor not one as Three in One. They were basically monotheists in belief the same as Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) and his Apostles and Disciples. However, the further in the stream of time from Jesus and his Apostles and Disciples the more divergence from the original beliefs became the beliefs of many so called Christians. Or in other words the greater became the variance from the proclaimed “ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” (Deuteronomy 6:4 AV). This degeneration from genuine beliefs taught by Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves) and his contemporary followers became greater over time and culminated in an apostate church taking orders from a pagan Roman Emperor, Constantine, whose only interest was to bring religious unity in his empire so as to keep it strong. He, Emperor Constantine, called the Council of Nicea [325 A.D.] and sent out letters to all Bishops to attend, and he dictated what doctrine would become the central doctrine of this apostate church. However, one historian of the 3 century rote of this gradual drift to the God dishonoring concept gradually coming to full fruitation as follows:
“One early witness who testifies to these early developments regarding the Trinity is Gregory of Nazianzus. In the work _Epistles 58_ Gregory Nazianzus explained the absence of the Holy Spirit from the discussions about the Godhead, by stating that "the Old Testament proclaimed the Father manifestly, and the Son more hiddenly. The New [Testament] manifested the Son and suggested the deity of the Spirit. Now the Spirit himself is resident among us, and
provides a clearer explanation of himself." As late as 380, Gregory Nazianzus wrote, "to be slightly in error [about the Holy Spirit] was to be orthodox." This statement too proves that the orthodox understanding of the Holy Spirit was not "clear" until 381. As a matter
of fact, this statement further demonstrates that the church neither subscribed to nor affirmed the teaching of the Trinity until 381 C.E. Even at that point, the "details" of the Trinity still had to be worked out.” (The Christian Tradition, Jaroslav Pelikan, Vol. I, p.
213. Cf. also Gregory Nazianzus--Orations 31.5).
“From a brief look at these developments, it seems warranted to conclude that the NT does not present a clear expression of the Triune Godhead. Therefore, we could reasonably conclude that neither the primitive church, nor the ante-Nicene fathers taught the Trinity.
Gregory Nazianzus even exclaimed that Scripture did not, "very clearly or very often call him [the Holy Spirit] God in so many words, as it does the Father and later on the Son" (Gregory Nazianzus, Orations 31.12). Gregory's testimony is so important because he lived at the time when the Trinity assimilated its way into Christian didache. Concerning this prominent Christian "father," Jaroslav Pleikan says: "In remarkable summary of
the controversy within the orthodox camp, composed in the same year, he [Gregory Nazianzus] declared: "Of the wise men among ourselves, some have conceived of him
[the Holy spirit] as an activity, some as a creature, some as God; and some have been uncertain which to call him . . . And therefore they neither worship him nor treat him with dishonor, but take up a neutral position." He did add, however, that "of those who onsider him to be God, some are orthodox in mind only, while others venture to be so with the lips also." It was apparently not only "careful distinctions, derived from unpractical philosophy and vain delusion" that could be blamed for this confusion, but also the undeveloped state of the doctrine of the Holy Spirit in relation to the Son in the Trinity." ( The Christian Tradition, Jaroslav Pelikan, p. 213. Cf. Gregory Nazianzus, Orations,
21.33, 31:5. Also Basil, On The Holy Spirit 3.5).
But this is another part of history that will not be further dealt with in this writing.
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And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12:29 – 31, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
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PEOPLE THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE, BUT BECAUSE I LOVE THE PEOPLE INSIDE. “
HIS TAKE ON IT -- INTERESTING ITEM FROM A MUSLIM IN AMERICA WHO FEELS TRUMP WAS CORRECT WITH RESPECT TO HIS BAN ON MEMBERS OF ISLAM FROM CERTAIN COUNTRIES.
*I still DO NOT understand why there's so much noise about Trump's decision to ban refugees from Muslim countries?? There are '100,000 empty fully air conditioned tents' in Mina- Saudi Arabia capable of housing 3 million people yet Saudi Arabia refuses to take the refugees, who speaks same language, same culture, same tradition, same religion, yet Saudi Arabia feels it's 'a security risks to accept the refugees' but wants the Christian world to do so? I'm trying to understand this thing called 'common sense', how it's been used. Is Saudi Arabia not too wicked for turning it's back against its own? Why blaming the US? Remember it is part of Trump's election promises, yet the Americans voted for him, meaning that's what they want.*
*Germany took over 1 million refugees and Saudi Arabia came up with a proposal of spending billions to build mosques in Germany to cater for the spiritual needs of the migrants, but won't accept them in Saudi Arabia!!!, what kind of ideology is this, and some Christians are debating these issues. Today, Germans are paying the price and defense budget had doubled because of these migrants. "Why cant these Muslims migrate to Muslim countries" and live in peace with their kind and practice sharia to the fullest without issues.*
*Why is Islam always in conflict with Christianity when their are too many other religions.*
*Christians are barred from entering Mecca, yet no issues!!!. Jews don't travel to Saudi Arabia, and some Arab countries yet no issues!!!.*
*In all fairness it's cheaper not to allow these guys in, than spending money monitoring them, because it's difficult to separate a genuine refugee and a terrorist!!!.*
*Muslims need to do internal in house cleansing and reorientation, on all subjects that makes good Muslims suffer because of the activities of those "extremists", by making sure that their Imams do not radicalize young people thru hateful preaching and intolerance.*
*All Muslims around the world should come to Western Nigeria and learn the tolerance and civilized Islam, where a Yoruba man is peacefully, and happily living with his Christian wife. There are 1000 and 1million examples where some of the children goes to mosque with their father, while some goes to church with their mother, and to Crown it all, on ILEYA AND CHRISTMAS DAYS, the entire family celebrates together, it looks simple, but not easy because it requires high sense of understanding to co-habit in this form without issues.*
*"I want a world where religion unites the world instead of what's going on right now, irrespective of whichever religion anybody is practicing, instead these hates and prejudices are everywhere".*
TWO -- GREAT FRUIT CAN BE FATAL UNDER RARE CONDITIONS AND THIS IS A CAUTION AGAINST EATING ANY ON AN EMPTY STOMACH, AND THIS ESPECIALLY SO IF THEY ARE A MEMBER OF the soapberry family SUCH AS LYCHEES AND ACKEES.. READ THE FACTS.
By ELLEN BARRYJAN. 31, 2017
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A man comforted his sick daughter at a hospital in Muzaffarpur, India, in 2013. Credit Kuni Takahashi for The New York Times
NEW DELHI — Three years ago, Dr. Rajesh Yadav, an investigator with the India Epidemic Intelligence Service, moved to the city of Muzaffarpur, the site of one of the country’s most mysterious outbreaks. And he waited.
Every year in mid-May, as temperatures reached scorching heights, parents took children who had been healthy the night before to the hospital. The children awakened with a high-pitch cry in the early morning, many parents said.
Then the youths began having seizures and slipping into comas. In about 40 percent of cases, they died.
Every year in July, with the arrival of monsoon rains, the outbreak ended as suddenly as it began.
Beginning in 1995, investigations variously ascribed the phenomenon to heat stroke; to infections carried by rats, bats or sand flies; or to pesticides used in the region’s ubiquitous lychee orchards. But there were few signposts for investigators.
Instead of occurring in clusters, the illness typically struck only one child in a village, often leaving even siblings unaffected.
A joint investigation by India’s National Center for Disease Control and the India office of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, published in the British medical journal The Lancet Global Health on Tuesday, has identified a surprising culprit: the lychee fruit itself, when eaten on an empty stomach by malnourished children.
In 2015, as a result of the investigation, health officials began urging parents in the area to be sure to feed young children an evening meal and to limit their consumption of lychees (sometimes spelled litchi). In two seasons, the number of reported cases per year dropped to less than 50 from hundreds.
“It was an unexplained illness for so many years,” said Padmini Srikantiah, a senior epidemiologist with the C.D.C. and the senior author of the paper. “This is kind of emblematic of why we collaborate, to build this kind of systematic approach.”
The Lancet article walks through a two-year medical detective story, as epidemiologists like Dr. Yadav closely examined the lives of hundreds of afflicted children, trying to understand everything they had eaten, drunk and breathed.
“It was a very intense situation, because we witnessed children dying in front of our eyes every day, as soon as they arrived at the hospital,” said Dr. Yadav, who now works with the C.D.C. in Atlanta. Especially difficult were the detailed interviews of parents, many of whom had carried a convulsing or comatose child for hours to get to the hospital.
“They were in a kind of panic,” he said. “Their children were dying, and it was an unknown thing.”
The first clue: There was no evidence the children had infections.
For 20 years, clinicians were unable to determine if the disease, which led to acute brain swelling known as encephalopathy, was caused by an infection — the immediate assumption in many outbreaks here.
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Sorting through lychees in India. The fruit has been blamed for causing sickness in children. CreditJaipal Singh/European Pressphoto Agency
Investigators pored over records from the previous year’s outbreak and were struck by the fact that many of the sick children did not have a fever. Analysis of spinal fluid samples overwhelmingly showed that the affected children did not have elevated counts of white blood cells, a sign the body is fighting infection.
The second clue: Most of the victims had very low blood sugar levels.
Having collected biological samples from more than 300 children, the researchers were able to scan a large number of markers — including some they hadn’t suspected.
Glucose had never been a particular concern for investigators. But some of the affected children had strikingly low levels, and those with low blood glucose were twice as likely to die, Dr. Srikantiah said.
“It seemed to be a little signal,” she continued. “One of the things we heard multiple times from the children’s mothers was that they didn’t really eat dinner properly.”
The third clue: Outbreaks had been associated with the ackee fruit, which is in the same family as the lychee.
It was in the fall of 2013, during a conference call with colleagues in Atlanta, that someone mentioned “Jamaican vomiting sickness,” an outbreak in the West Indies that for many decades caused brain swelling, convulsions and altered mental states in children.
The outbreak turned out to be tied to hypoglycin, a toxin found in the ackee fruit that inhibits the body’s ability to synthesize glucose, leading to acute hypoglycemia, or low blood glucose levels. “It had been going on for a decade, if not a century, before people really figured out what it was,” Dr. Srikantiah said. “Now, the grandmothers and the mothers teach their kids, ‘Don’t eat the unripe ackee fruit.’ ”
By late 2014, laboratory tests confirmed that lychees also contain high levels of hypoglycin, as well as a similar toxin known as methylenecyclopropyl glycine, or MCPG.
This was an answer hiding in plain sight. The Muzaffarpur area produces about 70 percent of India’s lychee harvest, and around the affected villages, “you really couldn’t go 100 meters without bumping into a lychee orchard,” Dr. Srikantiah said, referring to a distance of 330 feet.
Though orchards were typically guarded by caretakers, children often ate lychees that were unripe or that had fallen to the ground. But because everyone in the region eats them, it was difficult for many to believe that, in isolated cases, it could set off a catastrophic illness.
The fourth clue: Affected children had huge metabolic imbalances.
By early 2015, C.D.C. laboratories had developed a test to measure hypoglycin in urine. They found extraordinary abnormalities in the affected children. “The folks in the genetic labs said ‘We haven’t seen anything like this,’ ” Dr. Srikantiah said. “This was clearly abnormal.”
With that established, the investigators asked participants if they would be comfortable issuing recommendations based on their findings: that young children in the affected areas be encouraged to always eat an evening meal, and that consumption of lychees should be limited.
Everyone agreed. And it was done.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF BIBLICAL RESEARCH:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [483B]
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:22 – 24, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
This scripture brings out an important point expressed at Ephesians 2:8, [Williams New Testament], “For it is by His unmerited favor through faith that you have been saved; it is not by anything that you have done, it is the gift of God.” Yes, our faith will save us, and Almighty God (YHWH) has provided for a kingdom that will be under His son, Jesus (Yeshua), that we pray for at Matthew 6:9 – 10, [AV], “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” The coming of His son was foretold at Isaiah 9:6 - 7, [AV] “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.” With his coming, only righteous conditions will exist on earth, and one of these peaceful conditions is mentioned at Isaiah 12:3, [AV] “Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.”
[2] THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF BIBLICAL RESEARCH:
First, A research report/product is a report based on the scientific method of research where one starts out with a hypothesis and seeks to either prove and/or disprove the hypothesis. Thus a research product is A research report is just that one based on research and not opinion with everything as far as is reasonable backed up/buttressed with evidence usually of quotations and/or paraphrases from reliable secular sources and/or from the ultimate authoritative source, God's (YHWH's) word, the Bible. With any research report you start out with a hypothesis and seek to either prove and/or disprove it. This is SOP in research and academia.
Second, Most of my research reports are reviewed by knowledgeable experts for accuracy. The one in particular that you do not like and consider arrogant, which a research report/product is not, was in particular reviewed by my husband, a PhD who had top grade point averages-graduated in Theology, and by other knowledgablew individuals, and they found little fault with it except they thought I should have used more decisive language than I did and apparently, if I read you correctly, you feel I should have used less decisive language.
Third, The entire concept behind research products/reports is that one should accurately assemble as much as possible knowledge/findings on a subject, i.e., know your subject, and present it as such. This is in no way arrogance.
Fourth, I take issue with those who insult the Bible by wrongly claiming, as one poster did on a forum where I post some of my articles,but apparently later withdrew it after I challenged him on it, contradictions when they do not understand and/or comprehend the scriptures. I know there are a number of things that many individuals claim as contradictions that when properly understood are actually not. For more details on this, go to:
Countering Bible Contradictions
and,
Bible Data and Bible Canon
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] POSSIBILITY OF MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL AND JESUS (YESHUA) BEING THE SAME:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [484B]
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:6 – 7, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Almighty God (YHWH) shows at Matthew 6:25 – 26, His plan for all, [AV] ‘Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?” And Christ echoed His fathers thinking at Luke 12:22 - 23, [AV] “And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.” And at James 1:5, He shows wisdom will be given [AV] “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.” If one only sincerely asks. And Jesus (Yeshua) echoed this also at John 16:23, [AV] “And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you”
[2] POSSIBILITY OF MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL AND JESUS (YESHUA) BEING THE SAME:
INTRODUCTION:
Many claim the Michael the Arch Angel whose name means in Hebrew, 'Who is Like God,' is the same spirit being as the spirit being known as the Word or Logos that we know as the human being Jesus (Yeshua) Christ whose name in Hebrew means 'God is Salvation." Is there any indication that this is a valid possibility?
Well the Bible no where states that they are one and the same, but the circumstantial indicators in the Bible definitely indicate this as a possibility. Also, there is no definitive circumstantial indicators that rule this possibility out. Let's examine the evidence and then all can make up their own mind on the matter.
MICHAEL IS THE ONLY ARCH ANGEL MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE:
Michael is the only angel ever referred to as an arch angel in the Bible as shown at Jude 9, when he contended with God's (YHWH's) arch enemy Satan over the body of Moses, "But the archangel Michael himself, when he disputed and argued with the devil about Moses' body, did not dare to bring against him a charge of blasphemy, but merely said, 'May the Lord rebuke you!'" (The New Testament by Charles B. Williams). This scripture harkens back to Daniel 10:21, "But I will tell you what is inscribed in the book of truth: there is none who contends by my side against these except Michael, your prince." (Revised Standard Version; RSV); And at Daniel 12:1, "At that time Michael, the mighty angelic prince who stands guard over your nation, will stand up [and fight for you in heaven against satanic forces], and there will be a time of anguish for the Jews greater than any previous suffering in Jewish history. And yet every one of your people whose names are written in the Book will endure it." (The Living Bible-paraphrased); And at Daniel 10:13, "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, ofe of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the Kings of Persia." (Authorized King James Bible; AV); And at Zechariah 3:1-2, "Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, 'The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?'" (the New King James Bible; NKJB).
Now if we look at this same scripture in the American Standard Version, who all the individuals participating in this exchange is made even clearer, "And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his 2 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?" (Zechariah 3:2 in the American Standard Version; ASV). This scripture is quite interesting in that it speaks of the "angel of Jehovah" in the singular and not the plural; hence, showing that he was special or different from other angels; whereas angels are usually spoken about in the plural such as at 2 Peter 2:11, "They flout authority; reckless and headstrong, they are not afraid to insult celestial beings, whereas angels, for all their superior strength and might, employ no insults in seeking judgement against them before the Lord." (the New English Bible; NEB).
The first time, the angel of the Lord, is mentioned is at Daniel the tenth chapter quoted previously (Daniel 10:13). Now if we look at Daniel 10:20-21, we see, "Then said he, Knowest thou for what cause I come to thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince." (WB). This lends support to the possibility that Michael may have been the angel (singular) that led the Israelites through the wilderness as recorede at Exodus 23:20-23, "Behold, I send an angel before thee, to keep thee by the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Take ye heed before him, and hearken unto his voice; provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgression: for my name is in him. 22 But if thou shalt indeed hearken unto his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries." (ASV). Here we note that God (YHWH) said, "Take ye heed before him, and hearken unto his voice; provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgression: for my name is in him.", With it to be noted that his name is in him, and truly it is in the name of Michael, as in Hebrew as previously stated, this name means 'Who Is Like God.'
This is also noted at Exodus 32:34, "And now go, lead the people unto `the place' of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine angel shall go before thee; nevertheless in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them." (ASV), and note once more, "mine angel" is singular so it must refer to a special one-of-a-kind angel since God (YHWH) has many angels. This is also reaffirmed at Exodus 33:2, "and I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:" (ASV).
Thus scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael could possibly be applied to God's (YHWH's) Son before he left heaven to become Jesus (Yeshua) Christ; what an intriguing possibility. Michael is the only one said to be 'the archangel' which means 'chief angel' or principal angel." As previously noted the term 'archangel' and 'angel of the Lord' only occur in singular and not plural form in the Bible. This tends to indicate and/or imply that there is but one such angel whom God (YHWH) has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. This is reinforced at 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, "For this we tell you as the Lord's word: we who are left alive until the Lord comes shall not forestall those who have died; because at the word of command, the sound of the archangel's voice and God's trumpet-call, the Lord himself will descend from heaven;" (NEB). Here we see that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ will descend from heaven with a voice of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel.
This indication is made even clearer when we visit this same scripture in the American Standard Version, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" (1 Thessalonians 4:16, ASV). Clearly this scripture depicts him as descending from heaven, as previously mentioned, with a 'commanding call', that of an archangel.
Now is only logical that the voice expressing this commanding call of an archangel would be a spirit being having great authority. If it were not Jesus (Yeshua) Christ himself, then it would only dtractt from his authority that he now has as King of kings and Lord of lords per Matthew 28:18, "And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth." (ASV); And at Revelation 17:14, "These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings; and they `also shall overcome' that are with him, called and chosen and faithful." Therefore if the designation 'archangel' applied to some other and not to Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, but to other angels, the reference to an 'archangel's' voice would by kind of out of place since it would be describing a voice of someone with lesser authority.
Now when we read 1 Corinthians 15:22-28, ""For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (AV), testifies that God (YHWH) had given his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) over all except himself when the scripture says "it is manifest that he is excepted." Clearly also showing they were distinct individuals and that the Father (YHWH) was the superior one; hence they were not CO-EQUAL.
OTHER EVIDENCE THAT INDICATE MICHAEL COULD BE JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST:
There are other indicators, also, in the Bible strongly indicating that Michael the Archangel and Jesus (Yeshua) Christ may be one and the same spirit being. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael, recorded a prophecy reaching down to the end times at Daniel 11:40, "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over." (WB). And then stated at Daniel 12:1, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." (WB) Thus Michaels 'standing up' was to be connected with a "time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:".
In the prophecy of Daniel, 'standing up' frequently refers to the actions of a king, either one assuming his royal power or taking effective action in the capacity of a king as borne out at Daniel 11:1-7, "And now will I show thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. 3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. 4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided towards the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those. 5 And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion. 6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times. 7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, who shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:" (WB); And at Daniel 11:16-21, "But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed. 17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him. 18 After this shall he turn his face to the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. 19 Then he shall turn his face towards the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. 20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. 21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." (WB).
This indicates support for the conclusion that Michael is Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, since Jesus is God's (YHWH's) appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations ar Armageddon per Revelation 11:15, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become `the kingdom' of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever." (ASV); And at Revelation 16:14-16, "for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon." (ASV).
In fact the book of Revelations specifically mentions Michael with respect the establishment of God's (YHWH's) kingdom and links this event with terrible trouble for the earth at Revelation 12:7-12, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels `going forth' to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him. 10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time." (ASV).
Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is later symbolically shown as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth at Revelation 19:11-16, "And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteous he doth judge and make war. 12 And his eyes `are' a flame of fire, and upon his head `are' many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. 13 And he `is' arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white `and' pure. 15 And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KINGS OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (ASV).
This, of course, would mean a period of great distress for them, which would logically be included in the 'time of distress' that would be concomitant with Michael's standing up as recorded at Daniel 12:1. Since the Son of God is to fight all the nations, it would only be reasonable that he was the one with his angels mentioned earlier that would lead the battle against the dragon, Satan the Devil, and his demon angels.
JOHN WESLEY AND OTHERS ON THIS POSSIBILITY:
Concerning Revelation 12:9 in Henry’s unabridged and concise commentaries.
2. The parties-Michael and his angels on one side, and the dragon and his angels on the other: Christ, the great Angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and all his instruments. This latter party would be much superior in number and outward strength to the other; but the strength of the church lies in having the Lord Jesus for the captain of their salvation.
Verses 7-11 The attempts of the dragon proved unsuccessful against the church, and fatal to his own interests. The seat of this war was in heaven; in the church of Christ, the kingdom of heaven on earth. The parties were Christ, the great Angel of the covenant, and his faithful followers; and Satan and his instruments.
Concerning Daniel 10 in Henry’s unabridged commentary.
Here is Michael our prince, the great protector of the church, and the patron of its just but injured cause: The first of the chief princes, v. 13. Some understand it of a created angel, but an archangel of the highest order, 1 Th. 4:16; Jude 9. Others think that Michael the archangel is no other than Christ himself, the angel of the covenant, and the Lord of the angels, he whom Daniel saw in vision, v. 5.John Wesley:
Chapter XII
A promise of deliverance, and of a joyful resurrection, ver. 1 - 4. A conference concerning the time of these events, ver. 5 - 7. An answer to Daniel's enquiry, ver. 8 - 13.1 For the children - The meaning seems to be, as after the death of Antiochus the Jews had some deliverance, so there will be yet a greater deliverance to the people of God, when Michael your prince, the Messiah shall appear for your salvation. A time of trouble - A the siege of Jerusalem, before the finnal judgment. The phrase at that time, probably includes all the time of Christ, from his first, to his last coming.
Wesley on Daniel 10:21
Michael - Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it. Geneva Study Bible:
Da 12:1
12:1 And at that {a} time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(a) The angel here notes two things: first that the Church will be in great affliction and trouble at Christ's coming, and next that God will send his angel to deliver it, whom he here calls Michael, meaning Christ, who is proclaimed by the preaching of the Gospel.
Da 10:1310:13 But the {h} prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, {i} Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. (h) Meaning Cambyses, who reigned in his father's absence, and did not only for this time hinder the building of the temple, but would have further raged, if God had not sent me to resist him: and therefore I have stayed for the profit of the Church. (i) Even though God could by one angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love he sends forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of angels.
"The two passages in the New Testament, in which Michael is mentioned, serve to confirm the result already arrived at. That the Michael referred to in Rev. xii. 7 is no other than the Logos, has already been proved in my commentary upon that passage. Hofmann (Schriftbeweis i., p. 296) objects to this explanation, and says, 'in this case it is impossible to imagine why the Archangel should be mentioned as fighting with the dragon, and not the child that was caught up to the throne of God.' But we have already replied to this in the commentary, where we said, 'if Michael be Christ, the question arises why Michael is mentioned here instead of Christ'. The answer to this is, that the name Michael [Who is like God?, that is, 'Who dares to claim that they are like God?'] contains in itself an intimation that the work referred to here, the decisive victory over Satan, belongs to Christ, not as human, but rather as divine [compare 1 John iii. 8]. Moreover, this name forms a connecting link between the Old Testament and the New. Even in the Old Testament, Michael is represented as the great prince, who fights on
behalf of the Church (Dan. xii. 1).' The conflict there alluded to was a prediction and prelude of the one mentioned hero. The further objections offered by Hofmann rest upon his very remarkable interpretation of chap. xii., which is not likely to be adopted by any who are capable of examining for themselves." —Ernst Wilhelm Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament and a Commentary on the Messianic Predictions, 1836-9, Vol. IV, pp. 304-5 (in the T. & T. Clark publication; p. 269 in the Kregel publication). [SOURCE - RETRIEVED FROM ON 10/19/2011]
CONCLUSION:
Since in his prehuman existence as the Word or spokesman of God (YHWH) and being of the same substance and divine as is God (YHWH) per, "When all things began, the Word already was. The word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was." (NEB) or as rendered slightly differently by J. P Goodspeed in his translation, "....and the Word was divine" (The Bible: An American Translation, by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed). Thus as indicated, he may be the same as Michael; however, he retained the name Jesus (Yeshua) after his resurrection as shown at Acts 9:5, "He asked, 'Who are you, sir?' And He said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.'" (The New Testament by Charles B. Williams); thus, the 'Word' or 'Logos' which is Jesus (Yeshua) shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. And at Revelation 19:13, previously quoted, is called, "The Word of God." Which ties him in with his prehuman existence. Notably, the very name Michael, asking as it does, 'Who Is Like God?' points to the fact that Almighty God (YHWH) is without equal or like, and that Michael, his archangel, is his great Master Worker or Champion that carries out all assignments given to him by God (YHWH).
That he is God's (YHWH's) Master Worker is made clear at Proverbs 8:21-31 as follows, ""Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bounds, That the waters should not transgress his commandments, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight, Rejoicing always before him." (ASV); And this existence before the earth was is affirmed at John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am." (ASV); Thus as Colossians 1:17 says, ""and he is before all things, and in him all things consist." (ASV); And at Revelation 3:14, previously quoted, Jesus (Yeshua) is once more shown as the first of creation. Clearly, then, he, Jesus (Yeshua) is neither the same individual and/or manifestation of the same individual; Nor co-eternal, nor co-equal with his Father (YHWH). And as indicated in the scriptures quite likely Michael the archangel.
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