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Re: Scripture of the Day
COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Bible Disproves the Trinity:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 421A]
For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:35 – 39, [New World Translation Revised; NWTR]
Jesus (Yeshua) showed that members of one family could be divided with respect being obedient to Almighty God (YHWH) and him as shown by what was recorded with respect what he stated at Luke 12:52, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.” And this reality was foretold at Micah 7:6 – 7, [AV] “For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house.”
Jesus (Yeshua) showed that members of one family could be divided with respect being obedient to Almighty God (YHWH) and him as shown by what was recorded with respect what he stated at Luke 12:52, [authorized King James Bible; AV] “The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.” But he stated at
Matthew 19:29, [AV] “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” This was in keeping with Matthew 16:24 – 25, [AV] “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” Finally he made it clear that anyone doing the will of his Father would be acceptable at Mark 3:34 -35, [AV] “And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
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[2] Bible Disproves the Trinity:
The False Doctrine of the Trinity Introduced by an Apostate Church in 325 A.D. Proven Wrong by the Bible:
Many believe in the False Dogma of the Trinity and really have only a superficial knowledge of the Theology. So before I discuss this false doctrine using only the Bible I am going into what this false theology really is from an impeccable source.
The Trinitarian dogma, The Cyclopoedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, New York 1871, by John M'Clintock and James Strong, Vol. II, page 560-561, states, "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the
persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.....The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal...So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty...So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God...The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding...And in this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal. So that in all things, as is afore said, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity." [this is the Athanasian Creed quoted in the above mentioned Cyclopoedia].
Now lets see what the Bible (King James Bible; KJB):
First, it says at many places the following:
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Luke 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Now we noted in all the above Scriptures it calls Jesus Christ (Yeshua) the Son of God; interesting since for if the Trinity was true, it would read God the Son instead of the Son of God. Since it reads the same in every translation I know of except one "feminists" biased Bible, where it reads Daughter of God which I am sure none of you would agree with. Therefore, it is self evident that Jesus is God's (YHWH) son and not God the Son as would be technically necessary for the trinity to be true.
Second, the Bible explicitly says:
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. [Col. 1:12-18 (Authorized King James Bible; AV)].
We see here that Jesus is God's (YHWH's) dear son and that Jesus is the firstborn of every creature; whereas, God clearly had no beginning as you all well know. Once again the Trinity is shown as impossible of being true, thus it is false dogma.
Third, The Bible explicitly shows Jesus (Yeshua) asking his father, Almighty God (YHWH) to glorify him in a prayer as follows:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. [John 17.5 AV]
Here Jesus is clearly praying to his Father as a more powerful one and not to another part of himself as would be required by false Trinitarian Theology.
Fourth, the Bible clearly says, "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." This scripture clearly shows Jesus (Yeshua) to be an obedient Son to his Father (YHWH).
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. [Phil. 2:1-11 AV]
And verse 11 clearly shows hierarchy of power in Heaven since it says we should confess Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God. Showing that recognizing Jesus as the Son of God brings glory to his Father (YHWH). Clearly, therefore, Trinitarian theology can not be true, hence it is therefore FALSE.
Fifth, as we all know the giver and the receiver can not be the same, the Bible shows that Jesus (Yeshua) was given power by his Father (YHWH).
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. [John 8:49-59 AV].
Once more Jesus (Yeshua) says, "Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me." Clearly showing his Father (YHWH) was a distinct entity and that Jesus (Yeshua) was doing works to honor his Father (YHWH). Once more it is explicitly shown that the Trinity doctrine is false and a messed up belief.
Sixth, Jesus (Yeshua) clearly said he could do nothing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father (YHWH) doing:
7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. [John 5:19 AV]
Clearly, Jesus (Yeshua) is obedient to his Father (YHWH) a superior one and by being obedient brings honour to his Father (YHWH). Also, in this situation, Jesus (Yeshua) once more is shown to be the receivee and his Father the giver. This would be impossible under Trinitarian Theology as it maintains they are one Godhead so either the Bible is wrong or Trinitarian Theology is wrong. I am as a true follower of Jesus (Yeshau) taking the Bible, God's written word for our guidance, as correct; whereas, many wrongly take the false doctrine of the Trinity as correct. Now stand up and show whether you are for the Bible or for the Trinity.
Seventh, now the Bible explicitly shows the chain-of-command; from Almighty God (YHWH) on down as follows:
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3 AV)
This scripture clearly shows that the 'head of Christ is God' so the Trinity is once more shown to be false and the Bible shown to be true.
As we can now all see we should stand up for the Bible and not the false doctrine of the Trinity.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Protect Your Daughter Against SEX Abuse - Educate:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 422A]
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 1 John 5:19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Those who obey and love Almighty God (YHWH) hear his words as revealed at John 8:47, [AV] “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” Those who hear them, but do not understand them, the Devil snatches those away as revealed at Matthew 13:19, [AV] “When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.”
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[2] Protect Your Daughter Against SEX Abuse - Educate:
INTRODUCTION:
Today, we are faced with the fact that there are many WICKED men and women in the world that prey on very young girls because they are sexually aroused by them. Should be surprised at this? NO, as the Bible, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, predicted this sad state for the time of the end at 2 Peter 3:3-7, "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Now many young girls are easy victims for these WICKED ones because their parents have NOT given them a suitable education with respect what these wicked seek to do. Parents often shrink back from telling them the facts of life with respect sexual desires of these WICKED ones as they find it embarrassing to talk about sex with very young girls. This is very unfortunate since failure to do so keeps them innocent and over-trusting of the many WICKED men and women in the world that prey on very young girls because they are sexually aroused by them.
THE BIBLE AS AN EDUCATIONAL TOOL TO PROTECT YOUNG GIRLS AGAINST WICKED ONES:
The Bible is an excellent tool for teaching very young girls the reality and dangers of WICKED ones who are sexually aroused by them. However, some parents are against using this excellent tool as they WRONGLY believe keeping their daughters ignorant of the dangers is best. This is just plain STUPID, and is like turning your head when danger is headed your way instead of trying to escape from it.
One individual on the Internet during December 2006 answered one of these individuals who believes in keeping his daughter ignorant and away from the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, said,
<<<"You criticize using the Bible to teach daughters that there are wicked men out there who get sexually aroused by 6 year olds and sexually molest them by rubbing their pee pee [[A childs name for the male gentile organ.]] between their legs and/or fingering them up.">>>
Now, let's look at the facts as revealed by this individual,
<<<"I don't agree with that either. So what does this do for Muhammad? He's still a bizarre 53 year old man having sex with a nine year old. But here's the interesting part, not only did he consummate with her at nine, he was actually sexually aroused by her. Sorry, but a man can't successfully copulate like a woman can unless he was aroused, There are also hadiths that say he used to stick his pee pee between her legs and get off that way before she reached puberty. So he found a 7 year old girl to be sexually arousing. That is the only way he could become erect. They didn't have viagra back then.>>>
This highlights the need to use the Bible, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, to instruct your young daughters as soon as they are old enough to understand the spoken word as it will inform them there are WICKED men out there who get sexually aroused by very young girls, even ones as young as six [[Actually the Internet poster was in error with respect the girl's age as she was actually 6, not 7.]], who will sexually molest them. Why the Bible? Because, as I have previously said, many parents find it very uncomfortable to speak with their daughters about sex and this is especially so at a very young age. This is unfortunate since many pedophiles are just lurking around to take advantage of innocent young girls; they might even end up killing them so they can not tell who molested them and/or for a perverse sexual 'rush.'
To help protect young girls against these wicked men, it is highly important that they be given accurate information on how wicked these men can be and what they seek to do to young girls. Keeping young girls ignorant on this subject may lead to their being sexually molested and/or killed by wicked men who get sexually aroused by very young girls.
To help protect young daughters against wicked men who get sexually aroused by very young girls it is imperative that they be made aware of the realities of life so they can take protective measures when confronted by these WICKED men.
The Bible, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is an excellent tool to use with respect training young girls on the wickedness of some men so they are aware of what can happen and are not so innocent as to readily be mislead to their own lasting injury or death by these WICKED men.
Of all the so called religious books of the world, only the Bible, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, contains real life examples of wrong doing to inform young girls of what can happen so they realize the need to be very careful and avoid WICKED ones who are sexually aroused by very young girls.
Keeping very young girls ignorant of the realities of life is for sure NOT doing them a favor, but putting them at great risk.
CONCLUSION:
Use the Bible, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, to teach your daughters the need to be cautious so as NOT to become victims of these WICKED ones.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 423A]
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The Devil became entranced with his own beauty and strength and let it go to his head, and turned against Almighty God (YHWH) as testified to at Ezekiel 16:15, [AV] “But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.” The people of the world, those not listening to and obeying the word of God, are liked by the others who are running is the same debouched course as shown by Jesus (Yeshua) at John 15:19 - 20, [AV] “If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.” Yes, if we find the people of the wicked world speaking well of us, it is a reminder that we are NOT living our lives in obedience to the Creator per Luke 6:26, [AV] “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.”
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Medlar, is a genus of two species of flowering plants in the family Rosaceae. One, Mespilus germanica, is a long-known native of southwest Asia and possibly also southeastern Europe, and the other, Mespilus canescens, was discovered in North America in 1990.
Mespilus germanica features an unusual apple-like fruit that requires bletting to eat; they are not widely eaten today, but were more frequently consumed in the past.
Plant
Mespilus are deciduous large shrubs to small trees growing up to 8 metres (26 ft) tall. The leaves are dark green and elliptic, 6–15 centimetres (2.4–5.9 in) long and 3–4 centimetres (1.2–1.6 in) wide. The leaves turn red in autumn before falling. The five-petaled white flowers, produced in late spring, are hermaphrodite and pollinated by bees. The fruit is a pome, 2–3 centimetres (0.79–1.2 in) in diameter, with wide-spreading persistent sepals giving a "hollow" appearance to the fruit; it is matte brown in M. germanica and glossy red in M. canescens.
History
Mespilus germanica is apparently native only to Southwest Asia and Southeastern Europe, i.e. near the Black Sea coast and western Mediterranean, and Asia Minor, as well as the Caucasus and Northern Iran, but it has an ancient history of cultivation and wild plants exist in a much wider area; it was grown by the ancient Greeks and Romans, beginning in the 2nd century BCE. Mespilus germanica was a very popular fruit in Western Europe during the Victorian era;[citation needed] but has fallen out of favour there.
Related plants
Within subfamily Amygdaloideae, Mespilus is most closely related to Crataegus, Amelanchier, Peraphyllum, and Malacomeles.[2]
The genus Eriobotrya was once considered to be closely related to Mespilus. The loquat, one of several Eriobotrya species, was formerly thought to be closely related to the genus Mespilus, and is still sometimes known in some European countries as a medlar and is still sometimes called the "Japanese Medlar".
Many authors group Mespilus together with Crataegus in a single genus, with species names Crataegus germanica (L.) Kuntze, and Crataegus ×canescens (J. B. Phipps) T. A. Dickinson & E. Y. Y. Lo.[3][4][5][6][7][8]
Availability
Medlars are not widely available at present, though one can purchase the fruit and trees of Mespilus germanica from specialists.
Trees
The trees are self-fertilizing and long-lived (they can be hundreds of years old), and saplings are cheaply available by mail order in the UK.
Notes
1. ^ Potter, D., et al. (2007). Phylogeny and classification of Rosaceae. Plant Systematics and Evolution. 266(1–2): 5–43. [Referring to the subfamily by the name "Spiraeoideae"]
2. ^ Campbell, C.S.; Evans, R.C.; Morgan, D.R.; Dickinson, T.A.; Arsenault, M.P. (2007). Phylogeny of subtribe Pyrinae (formerly the Maloideae, Rosaceae): Limited resolution of a complex evolutionary history. Plant Systematics and Evolution. 266(1–2): 119–145.
3. ^ Scopoli, G.A. 1760. Flora Carniolica Exhibens Plantas Carniolae Indigenas et Distributas in Classes Naturales cum Differentiis Specificis, Synonymis Recentiorum, Locis Natalibus, Nominibus Incolarum, Observationibus Selectis, Viribus Medicis..
4. ^ Castiglioni, L.G. 1790. Luigi Castiglioni's Viaggio travels in the United States of North America 1785-1787 with natural history commentary and Luigi Castiglioni's Botanical Observations: Viaggio negli Stati Uniti dell' America Settentrionalle fatto negli Anni 1785, 1786 e 1787....
5. ^ Moench, C. 1794. Methodus Plantas Horti Botanici et Agri Marburgensis: Reprint with introduction and biography by William T. Stearn. Otto Koeltz Antiquariat, Koenigstein-Taunus.
6. ^ Koch, K. 1869. Dendrologie: Bäume, Sträucher und Halbsträucher, welche in Mittel- un Nord- Europa in Freien kultivirt werden. Verlag von Ferdinand Enke, Erlangen.
7. ^ Kuntze, O. 1891. Revisio generum plantarum. A. Felix, Leipzig.
* ^ Lo, E.; Stefanovi?, S.; Dickinson, T.A. (2007). Molecular reapprasial of relationships between Crataegus and Mespilus (Rosaceae, Pyreae) – Two genera or one? Systematic Botany. 32(3): 596–616. (source - retrieved from on 2/23/2013)
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ANSWERS ON THE MOON GOD ALLAH
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 424A]
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 1 John 5:19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Those who obey and love Almighty God (YHWH) hear his words as revealed at John 8:47, [AV] “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” Those who hear them, but do not understand them, the Devil snatches those away as revealed at Matthew 13:19, [AV] “When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.”
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[2] ANSWERS ON THE MOON GOD ALLAH
One individual asked,
I checked your website, , and there's this sentence in the page that caught my attention:
"...Also, there is the false moon god Allah to contend with as put forth by Muslims."
FIRST, This individual was in error, as the Arabic word for deity or god is Ilah. Let's look at the facts from an encyclopedia,
?ilah is the Arabic for "deity". It is cognate to Northwest Semitic 'el and Akkadian ilu. The word is from a Proto-Semitic archaic biliteral ?-l meaning "god" (possibly with a wider meaning of "strong"), which was extended to a regular triliteral by the addition of a h (as in Hebrew Eloah). The word is spelled either ??? with an optional diacritic alif to mark the a (as is the case with Allah), or (more rarely) with a full alif, ???? .
The feminine is ?ilahah ????? "goddess", with the article, al-?ilahah ????? according to Lane's 1893 Lexicon referring to the great serpent in particular, "because it was a special object of the worship of some of the ancient Arabs", or the new moon (see also Allat).
In Islamic context, an ilah is the concept of a deity, lord or god and does not necessarily refer to Allah. The term is used throughout the Qur'an in passages detailing the existence of Allah as the only Ilah, and of the beliefs of non-Muslims in other Ilah(s).[source - Wikipedia free Encyclopedia]
SECOND, Here is some more enlightenment for you,
[source - The Archeology of the Middle East]"[additional references - "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations" (Berta Segall, The Iconography of Cosmic Kingship, the Art Bulletin, vol.xxxviii, 1956, p.77).; Isaac Rabinowitz, Aramaic Inscriptions of the Fifth Century, JNES, XV, 1956, pp.1-9; Edward Linski, The Goddess Atirat in Ancient Arabia, in Babylon and in Ugarit: Her Relation to the Moon-god and the Sun-goddess, Orientalia Lovaniensia Periodica, 3:101-9; H.J.Drivers, Iconography and Character of the Arab Goddess Allat, found in Études Preliminaries Aux Religions Orientales Dans L'Empire Roman, ed. Maarten J. Verseren, Leiden, Brill, 1978, pp.331-51); Richard Le Baron Bower Jr. and Frank P. Albright, Archaeological Discoveries in South Arabia, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1958, p.78ff; Ray Cleveland, An Ancient South Arabian Necropolis, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1965; Nelson Gleuck, Deities and Dolphins, New York, Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 1965).; Another Aramaic Record of the North Arabian goddess Han'Llat, JNES, XVIII, 1959, pp.154-55.
THIRD, Also, you should go read the following of which I am only posting the introduction,
Allah - the Moon God
The Archeology of The Middle East
The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters. [source - Yeshua Communications Network]
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FOURTH, You overlook this source which has many links on the subject, but here I will only quote the introduction,
Hubal and Allah the Moon God?
Islam: Truth or Myth? start page
Introduction to basic facts of history:
Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.[source - Brother Andrew]
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FIFTH, One expert of Islam, Starjade, has a lot to say on the celestian Moon god, one of the puppet gods of Satan the Devil and the false prophet at:
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SIXTH, Now here is something else you should read to see the proof of what I stated in my two articles which incidentally were NOT about the Moon god, a puppet celestial god of Satan the Devil, but about the only true God (YHWH) maker of heaven and earth, a point you obviously missed. But since you made the challenge, I am answering it with abundant evidence of the obvious. Now here is an introduction to another important article on the subject,
Was Allah The Moon God of Ancient Arab Pagan?
By Syed Kamran Mirza
Historical evidences, impartial logic, well versed references and all available circumstantial judgments can very well prove that-(a) Allah name of deity was pre-existed much before the arrival of Islam, ( Pre-Islamic Pagan peoples worshipped Allah as their supreme deity (moon-god). Allah's name existed in pre-Islamic Arab. In ancient Arab the Allah was considered to be the supreme God/deity (as Moon-God) and Arab Pagans worshipped Allah before Islam arrived.
Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :
Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes
Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes
Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes
Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" Yes
Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
Was the Kabah thus the "house of the Moon-god"? Yes.
Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? Yes.
Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? Yes.
Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as "the daughters of God [Allah]"
Did the Qur'an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur'an? Yes.
What were they called? "The Satanic Verses."[source - Was Allah The Moon God of Ancient Arab Pagan?
By Syed Kamran Mirza ]
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SEVENTH, Go read, "English - Allah Had No Son" by Jack T. Chick LLC, which is an interesting cartoon that reveals the truth about the Moon god, 'Allah,'. You can view this at:
EIGHTH, And here is another item you should go read and also visit all of the links,
Archaeological photo gallery of the Arabian Moon-God
The names of the moon god in Arabia were Wadd, `Amm, Sin, Il Mukah, Hubal and Allah.
The crescent moon symbol of Islam is a remnant of ancient pagan moon worship.
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NINTH, Go read the following also,
Allah, the moon god of the Kaba:
Islam Truth or Myth? ^ | Brother Andrew
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Allah, the moon god of the Kaba:
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TENTH, Go read the following also,
Thoth
(Thot, Thout; Egyptian Djhowtey, Djehuti, Tehuti, Zehuti)
Egyptian moon god. Over time, he developed as a god of wisdom, and came to be associated with magic, music, medicine, astronomy, geometry, surveying, drawing and writing. Thoth was generally depicted in human form with the head of an ibis, wearing a crown consisting of a crescent moon topped by a moon disk. He could also be depicted wholly as an ibis or a baboon. Both the ibis and the baboon were sacred to him. His principal sanctuary was at Hermopolis (Khmunu) in the Nile delta region.
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ELEVENTH, Go to,
Information Center
Go look at the many links on the subject of the Moon god at,
TWELTH, Go read,
Thoth, God of the Moon, Magic and Writing...by Caroline Seawright
Go look this article on the subject of the Moon god at,
THIRTEEN, Go read,
ALLAH - The Moon God
The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Sequel to ANSWERS ON THE MOON GOD ALLAH
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 425A]
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. John 15:19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As testified to at 1 John 4:5 - 6, [AV] “They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” And this reality is also shown at John 17:14, [AV] “I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.” Wonder not when they of the wicked world consider you strange as this was foretold at 1 Peter 4:4, [AV] “Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:”
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[2] Sequel to ANSWERS ON THE MOON GOD ALLAH
Now let's look at more facts on the name of the old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah,"
Allah is the name of the only God in Islam. Allah is a pre-Islamic name coming from the compound Arabic word Al-ilah which means the God, which is derived from al (the) ilah (deity). It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Today a Muslim is one who submits to the God Allah.
Islam means submission to (Allah), but originally it meant that strength which characterized a desert warrior who, even when faced with impossible odds, would fight to the death for his tribe. [source - Dr. M. Baravmann, The Spiritual Background of Early Islam, E. J. Brill, Leiden, 1972]
And,
Many believe the word "Allah" was derived from the mid- eastern word "el" which in Ugaritic, Caananite and Hebrew can mean a true or false God. This is not the case, "The source of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity." [source - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (ed. Hastings), I:326.]
And,
According to the Encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Mohammed worshipped him as the supreme God. Before Islam the Arabs recognized many gods and goddesses, each tribe had their own deity. There were also nature deities. Allah was the god of the local Quarish tribe, which was Mohammed's tribe before he invented Islam to lead his people out of their polytheism. Allah was then known as the Moon God, who had 3 daughters who were viewed as intercessors for the people into Allah. Their names were Al-at, Al-uzza, and Al-Manat, which were three goddesses; the first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was a statue likeness of a man whose body was made of red precious stones whose arms were made of gold. [source reference - Islam George Braswell Jr.]
And,
"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities...Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." [source - G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 138].
And,
History has shown Mecca and the holy stone al-Kaaba were holy sites for pre-Islamic pagan Arabs. The Kaaba in Mecca was formerly named Beit-Allah meaning House of Allah. We are told it was first built in heaven. This is in contradistinction to what Moses was instructed to build, something overlooked by the Muslims in their reading of the Bible.
The Koran tells us that Mohammed drove the other idols away; he made one God now the only god and he was its messenger. He kept the Kaaba as a holy, sacred place and confirmed that the black stone had the power to take away man's sins. He obligated every believer to make a pilgrimage to the stone at least once in his lifetime. (Sura 22:26-37) No Old Testament saint ever had a pilgrimage to the Kaaba and kissed its black stone despite stories that Abraham and Ishmael restored it.
[b]Mohammed used the name Allah which was formerly the name of a specific idol without ever distinguishing it from the idol the Meccan's were already worshipping. This was a modification of their former worship but never a complete break. He never did say for the people to stop their worship of the wrong Allah, for the right one. It can still be monotheism and not be the God of the Bible
Al-Lat which is a T at the end of the name of Allah, was represented by a square stone whose major sanctuary was in the city of Taif. In the sanctuary was a black stone in the town of Qudayd between Mecca and Medina. She was the goddess of fate, a female counterpart of Allah. Al-uzza was the goddess of east Mecca. It has been said there were human sacrifices made to her and Islamic tradition tells of a story of Mohammed's grandfather almost sacrificing his son the father of Mohammed to her. What prevented this was his seeking counsel from a fortune teller which told him to ransom his son with one hundred camels. Muslims look to this as the will of Allah to bring Mohammed into existence. (Reference Muhammad husain haykal, Hayat mohammed)
"The name Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa." [source - Arthur Jeffrey, ed., Islam: Muhammad and His Religion (1958), p. 85.)]
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Mut'ah is Just Plain WRONG
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 426A]
After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Leviticus 18:3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here Almighty God (YHWH) was giving a stern warning that His chosen people were NOT to practice the wrongs of the nations about them, but were not to be friends with wrong worldly ways as shown by James 4:4, [AV] “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.’ This was clearly made known to them as they parted from exile in the land of Egypt as testified to at Exodus 23:24, [AV] “Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.” And reaffirmed at Jeremiah 10:2, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.”
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[2] Mut'ah is Just Plain WRONG
Now a question for you all on Mut'ah, but first a quote from Dr. Salamah,
[[For those who do not know, Mut'ah is an Islamic practice.]]
Quote:"Except for these, all others are lawful, provided you seek them [in marriage] with gifts from your property, desiring chastity, not lust. So for whatever you have enjoyed from them, give them their compensation as an obligation." (4:22) This verse clearly emphasizes the concept of chastity through regular marriage. Mut'ah, on the other hand, is an open license for sexual pleasure with as many women as one can financially afford. The women who engage in Mut'ah are hired women; thus, it can be performed with all women irrespective of their age, character, conduct or religion. It requires no witnesses, nor is there any obligation on the man's part to provide food and shelter to the woman. The only precondition is that the woman agrees to the price and the length of the Mut'ah and that the man pays her the compensation when he has relations with her. One can discern for himself whether such a practice leads to sheer promiscuity or promotes chastity.[source - ]
Now I believe Mut'ah is completely wrong as shown by Titus 1:6, "If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), and many other scriptures in the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible. Now who maintains otherwise?
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Proofs by Reasoning that ISLAM Went Wrong:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 427A]
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:4, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, peace will eventually rein earth wide under the Kingdom of God, and the enemies of Almighty God (YHWH) will as foretold by the Prophet Samuel at 1 Samuel 2:10, [AV] “ The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.” And as shown at Proverbs 11:5, [AV] “The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.”
All those seeking to love and obey the Creator shall per Isaiah 1:18, [AV] “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” Yes, at that time per Hosea 2:18, [AV] “And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.” And per Psalms 72:7, [AV] “In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.”
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[2] Proofs by Reasoning that ISLAM Went Wrong:
FIRST, An interesting fact is that within the Bible the specific or personal name YHWH is used over 6800 times. Yet within the Qu'ran this name is not mentioned once because there is no equivalent in Arabic for the personal name of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
Yet strangely, the name of Abraham, (in true Arabic Abu-raheem), is used in the Hebrew fashion rather than the Arabic. Why is there no answer from Islam to this glaring contradiction?
Which personal name is of the greatest importance. That of Abraham (Abu-raheem) a mere prophet of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, or that of the Almighty Lord God YHWH, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is?
If Muhammad (pbuh) truly spoke with and received a revelation from the Angel Gabriel as claimed, why did Gabriel not know to correct Muhammad (pbuh) , when Muhammad (pbuh) declared that God's personal name is Allah?
"But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name [Yahweh] anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." Per Deuteronomy 18:20, for detail check (American Standard Version; ASV), (Authorized King James Bible; AV), (Darby 1884 Version; Darby), (Good News Bible, GNB), (Young's Literal Translation; YLT) .
Why was no other sent to correct this so obvious error of Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur'an. After all it was for this reason that the Jews of Arabia refused to accept Muhammad's (pbuh) claim with respect being a prophet?
Surely then as Muhammad (pbuh) is claimed to be the rector of correction it should have been obvious to correct this error by Muhammad (pbuh), in order for Muhammad (pbuh) to convince the Jews of their error?
As can be seen from this serious of questions, Islam is NOT resting on solid grounds.
SECOND, YHWH, Creator and Sustainer of the Universe, the Lord God Almighty, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has also declared through the prophets that the line of prophethood does not extend through Ishmael, the supposed and erroneously claimed ancestor of the Arabian peoples.
And Amos 3:7, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." for detail check (American Standard Version; ASV), (Authorized King James Bible; AV), (Darby 1884 Version; Darby), (Good News Bible, GNB), (Young's Literal Translation; YLT) .
Here is another interesting and rather glaring obvious error in the Qu'ran.
The Qur'an claims (Sura 29:27) that prophethood belongs solely to the line of Isaac and Jacob, a line of which Muhammad (pbuh) has no part. Let's look at Sura 29:27 in three different versions/translations of the quran,
YUSUFALI: And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous.
PICKTHAL: And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the prophethood and the Scripture among his seed, and We gave him his reward in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he verily is among the righteous.
SHAKIR: And We granted him Ishaq and Yaqoub, and caused the t prophethood and the book to remain in his seed, and We gave him his reward in this world, and in the hereafter he will most surely be among the good.
Now if this passage of the Qu'ran is to be accepted as truthful, then the authority for the beliefs of over one billion Muslims hangs on the single testimony of one man. A man who admitted his lack of power Sura 20:49, as follows,
YUSUFALI: (When this message was delivered), (Pharaoh) said: "Who, then, O Moses, is the Lord of you two?"
PICKTHAL: (Pharaoh) said: Who then is the Lord of you twain, O Moses?
SHAKIR: (Firon) said: And who is your Lord, O Musa?
And sinfulness (Sura 40:55), and who claims that his God revealed to him this book known as the Qu'ran, and who further claims that He is God's prophet. Let's look at Sura 40:55,
YUSUFALI: Patiently, then, persevere: for the Promise of Allah is true: and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and celebrate the Praises of thy Lord in the evening and in the morning.
PICKTHAL: Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin, and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours.
SHAKIR: Therefore be patient; surely the promise of Allah is true; and ask protection for your fault and sing the praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning.
Now, How can this possibly be?
If prophethood belongs solely to the line of Isaac and Jacob then Muhammad (pbuh) is not a prophet?
If on the other hand Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet that he and Islam claim, then the Qu'ran is in error?
Either way we are once again faced with a glowing impossibility, and a situation where Islam must again deny it's prophet Muhammad or it's own Qu'ran the assumed infallible book.
Examine All the Evidence.
"Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22: New International Version; NIV)
"Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1: New International Version; NIV).
"For Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light" (1 Corinthians 11:14: New International Version; NIV).
Thus in obeying the call to test and question, as Muhammad (pbuh) claims to be a prophet of God, his claims must be tested and questioned by all Christians and Muslims. We cannot and must not reject his claim as impossible because we believe and understand that God has sent prophets.
However this does not mean that we must blindly accept that Muhammad (pbuh) is a prophet, that would be foolish and disobedient. We are called, to test those claiming to be a prophets to determine whether they are from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, or NOT.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 428A]
Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 1 Peter 3:16 – 17, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
As Titus 2:8, [AV] “Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you” makes the point we are not condemned for sound speech and that even our enemies may get ashamed for trying to condemn us. As Romans 12:21, [AV] “Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.” Clearly shows that we should overcome evil by doing good.
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Melilotus officinalis, Sweet Clover
Abundance: common
What: flowers, seeds, leaves
How: flowers in tea, seeds raw or roasted then ground into flour, leaves in salads or cooked
Where: Neglected areas, fields, yards
When: late winter through summer
Nutritional Value: starch in the seeds, protein in the leaves
Hop clovers have the same three-leaf shape as regular clover but the plant itself grows upright to over a foot tall. Its leaves and small yellow flowers look similar to those found on the prostrate Black Medic plant. Its young leaves can be eaten raw but can be slightly tough. The small yellow flowers can be used to make a sweet clover tea. These flowers eventually form individual seedpods each containing one seed. These seeds can be eaten raw or roasted then ground into flour. Like most seeds they can also be boiled into a porridge or gruel.
Like other clovers, hops clover can fix atmospheric nitrogen, turning it into a form usable by other plants. For this reason it is a good "weed" to let grow in your garden as it will fertilize nearby plants.
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] The Bible's Correctness is Testified to In The Quran:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 429A]
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. 9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 1 Corinthians 8:8 – 9, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Reality is that not meat or drink will condemn us, and as emphasis at
Romans 14:17, [AV] “For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
And we must only accept the doctrines put forth in the Bible per Hebrews 13:9, [AV] “Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.” And we should not bring up situations even if lawful that per Romans 14:13, [AV] “Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.”
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[2] The Bible's Correctness is Testified to In The Quran:
INTRODUCTION:
Many members of Islam criticize the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, because they are ignorant of the fact that their own Bible knockoff, the Quran, testifies to the correctness of the Bible. In fact, the own Bible knockoff, the Quran, testifies clearly testifies that the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, is from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, himself.
The true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is the author of the Bible. In fact, he used over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, but he used many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.
SOME TESTIMONY FROM THE QURAN THAT THE BIBLE IS FROM THE TRUE GOD (YHWH) OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND ISHMAEL, CREATOR OF ALL THERE IS.
Let's consider a few examples from the Bible knockoff the Quran that the Bible is from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
In regard to the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, the Bible knockoff says at Sura 2:87, as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
PICKTHAL: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
SHAKIR: And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.
And,
The Qur'an states clearly that the Gospel is from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, at Sura 3:3 , as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
PICKTHAL: He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
SHAKIR: He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.
NOW LET'S CONSIDER SEVERAL SPECIFIC BOOKS OF THE BIBLE:
Now the Bible knockoff, the Quran states in regard to the Psalms and other books of the Prophets at Sura 4:163, 3 , as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood
And,
Moreover the Bible knockoff, the Quran states that these writings are protected by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, at Sura 6:34, 3 , as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
As to be noted, the Quran, mixes up who is the supreme sovereign of the universe by substituting old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," for the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
And,
The fact that none can change the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, is clearly noted in the Bible knockoff, the Quran, at Sura 6:115, 3 , as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
And,
This same fact is also noted at Sura 10:643, as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
PICKTHAL: Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.
SHAKIR: They shall have good news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.
Again, note, the Quran, mixes up who is the supreme sovereign of the universe by substituting old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," for the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is.
BIBLE KNOCKOFF, THE QURAN, CONFIRMS THE TRUTH THAT EXIST IN THE BIBLE:
The foregoing items in this article confirm that the Bible knockoff, the Quran, that the Torah, the Gospel, and the Prophets found in the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, are pure and NOT corrupted as some in Islam falsely claim.
Also, the Bible knockoff at Sura 29:27 clearly shows that the prophet hood belongs only to the line descendent from Abraham's son, Isaac, and that Muhammad (pbuh) is no part of that line as he was a descendent of Abraham's son Ishmael, not Isaac. Let's look at the facts found in Sura 29:27, as shown by three different versions/translations:
YUSUFALI: And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous.
PICKTHAL: And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the prophethood and the Scripture among his seed, and We gave him his reward in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he verily is among the righteous.
SHAKIR: And We granted him Ishaq and Yaqoub, and caused the t prophethood and the book to remain in his seed, and We gave him his reward in this world, and in the hereafter he will most surely be among the good.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Know-Nothings Critics of the Bible - An Example
[1]
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 430A]
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:23 – 26, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, we should pursue the things agreeable to Almighty God (YHWH) and it is He that we must worship as testified to by Jesus (Yeshua) at Matthew 4:10, [AV] “Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
We must not lust after the things belonging to His arch enemy Satan the Devil as shown at John 8:44, [AV] “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” God showed what would happen to the ungodly at Jude 7, [AV] “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
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[2] Know-Nothings Critics of the Bible - An Example
INTRODUCTION:
There are many critics of the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, but they are no-nothings as proven by the statement of one member of Islam. He took Jeremiah 8:8 out of context and came up with some pure nonsense as follows,
<<<" Introduction: We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it (i.e., the bible) into a LIE. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!">>>
JEREMIAH 8:8 IN CONTEXT:
Now let's look at Jeremiah 8:8 in context, i.e., Jeremiah 8:4-13, "Moreover thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith Jehovah: Shall men fall, and not rise up again? Shall one turn away, and not return?
5 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.
6 I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repenteth him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turneth to his course, as a horse that rusheth headlong in the battle.
7 Yea, the stork in the heavens knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle-dove and the swallow and the crane observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the law of Jehovah.
8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of Jehovah is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes hath wrought falsely.
9 The wise men are put to shame, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of Jehovah; and what manner of wisdom is in them?
10 Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall possess them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness; from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
11 And they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall; in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith Jehovah.
13 I will utterly consume them, saith Jehovah: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig-tree, and the leaf shall fade; and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them." (American Standard Version; ASV)
This scripture is obviously speaking about a period when the Jews backslid from the truth, and the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, requirement, and NOT what the know nothing writer thought it meant due to his extreme ignorance. But let's look at what a world renown scholar said on that scripture in context, Jeremiah 8:4-13,
<<<"#8:4-13 What brought this ruin? 1. The people would not attend to reason; they would not act in the affairs of their souls with common prudence. Sin is backsliding; it is going back from the way that leads to life, to that which leads to destruction. 2. They would not attend to the warning of conscience. They did not take the first step towards repentance: true repentance begins in serious inquiry as to what we have done, from conviction that we have done amiss. 3. They would not attend to the ways of providence, nor understand the voice of God in them, ver. #7. They know not how to improve the seasons of grace, which God affords. Many boast of their religious knowledge, yet, unless taught by the Spirit of God, the instinct of brutes is a more sure guide than their supposed wisdom. 4. They would not attend to the written word. Many enjoy abundance of the means of grace, have Bibles and ministers, but they have them in vain. They will soon be ashamed of their devices. The pretenders to wisdom were the priests and the false prophets. They flattered people in sin, and so flattered them into destruction, silencing their fears and complaints with, All is well. Selfish teachers may promise peace when there is no peace; and thus men encourage each other in committing evil; but in the day of visitation they will have no refuge to flee unto."[source - Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Bible]>>>
So as we can see, the know-nothing writer was completely wrong in what he said, but to gain further information from another world renown scholar, Matthew Poole,
<<<" Ver. 4. Moreover thou shalt say unto them; though possibly it be all in vain, yet thou shalt keep in thy work.
Shall they fall, and not arise? an interrogation that hath the force of a negative, i.e. surely none. Or, Will men, is there no hope? And are they upon this ground desperate? Or rather, Will men fall, and not arise? Are they such fools, that having fallen by their sins, and been foretold all that is coming, that they will not accept of a remedy? #Jer 7:27 Ho 14:1.
Shall he turn away, and not return? a metaphor taken from one that is out of his way; can any imagine that if one tell him of it, and direct him aright, that he will not hearken to him, and turn back? It is even against nature itself for a man not to seek his own good.
Ver. 5. By a perpetual backsliding: either a universal backsliding; or rather, obstinately resolved to hold on, though they see they are out of the way; not out of levity or inconsiderateness. The Hebrew word signifies strength, the same used #Ps 13:1, and translated for ever, implying a strong, stiff, stout refusal. See #Isa 57:17 Jer 5:3. Deceit: either their injustice and cozenages in circumventing one another, which was so frequent among them, #Jer 9:4-6 Mic 7:3,4; or their hypocrisy, whereby they thought to deceive God, but they did indeed deceive themselves; the great impediment of their repentance, #Isa 44:20; or rather, their sticking close to their false prophets, who did deceive them, thence encouraging themselves in their wickedness, and pleasing themselves that their miseries should not come upon them. See Poole "Isa 30:10"; See Poole "Jer v. 31"; See Poole "Jer 14:13", &c.
Ver. 6. And heard, i.e. that I might hear; the words rather of God than of the prophet, which the continuance of the speech seems to show in the next verse, in the close whereof it is plain that God speaks, expressing himself after the manner of men, who are wont to listen diligently after the things they are very desirous of. See #1Ki 20:33 Mal 3:16.
Not aright; or, not so, as the LXX., and the word is thus used, #Ex 10:11 Ps 1:4; not so as I would have had them; so far from repentance, that I do not perceive a word from them tending that way.
Ver. 7. In the heaven, i.e. in the air, which is often called heaven, where the birds fly, #Ps 8:8; compare #Jer 7:33, who possibly observe the fit time by the temperature of the air.
Knoweth her appointed times, i.e. observeth the several seasons of her going and coming by some natural instinct, and this is said of the stork: what kind of fowl is here meant is disputable: see English Annotations and Latin Synopsis.
Observe the time of their coming; the same thing diversified in these several fowls, that know also their seasons.
But my people know not: this notes the great stupidity of his people, seeming not to have as much sense in them as the birds in the air, not knowing their summer of prosperity, to make a good use of God's favours, nor the winter of adversity, either to prevent or remove that wrath of God that hangs over their heads, #Isa 5:12 Lu 19:42,44; they know not their time for repentance, and making their peace with God, compared also, on the same account, to the beasts of the field, #Isa 1:3; and thus Christ upbraids the Pharisees, #Mt 16:2,3.
The judgment of the Lord; either God's vengeance in general, or particularly hovering over Jerusalem and Judea; or rather, the manner of God's dispensations with them. So the word is used #1Sa 2:13 8:11.
Ver. 8. How do ye say, We are wise? q. d. These things considered, where is your wisdom, when you see the very fowls of the air are not so stupid as you are? he speaks either to princes and priests, or to the whole body of the people.
The law of the Lord is with us: this may be understood either more general of all, or may have a more special eye to the priests, with whom it was intrusted, #De 33:10 Mal 2:7. They were wont to boast much of the law, as well as of the temple, #Jer 18:18 Ro 2:17,23
Ver. 9. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken; they trusted to their refuge of lies, but when God shall bring the judgment threatened, the wisest among them will find that they shall be confounded among themselves, not knowing what to do for all their wisdom, but shall be taken with the rest, #Jer 4:9: by wise men he means the scribes in the former verse. The same said of Babylon, #Isa 47:10.
What wisdom is in them? or, What is wisdom to them? How can they say they are wise, when they have no fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom, #Pr 1:7; when they have no respect at all to the word of God, as to any holy practice, which is the fountain of all wisdom? #De 4:6 Ps 19:7 2Ti 3:15.
Ver. 10. Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them; a paraphrastical description of the miseries of war: God doth here insinuate that their misery shall not be for a short time, but so long, as that strangers, viz. the Chaldeans, shall enjoy their land by inheritances, so far should they be from possessing their land for ever.
Every one is given to covetousness; so greedy after their own private gain, that they took no care of equity or justice, in which word is comprised all their fraudulent dealings one among another. Of this and the two next verses, see on #Jer 6:13-15.
And the things that I have given them shall pass away: if this refer to the further punishment, as some, then it is as much as to say, what they have already received from me and laid up, they shall also be deprived of, #Ho 2:8,9; or, though I have given it to them, yet they shall not enjoy it, it shall be taken away by their enemies: if it relate.to the reason of the punishment, as others, then the copulative is put for the causal: q.d. Because the things that I gave them, viz. my laws, pass away, i.e. they have transgressed, #Isa 24:4,5: either sense lies fair. ." [source - Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Bible] >>>.
CONCLUSION:
So as can be seen, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, is correct, but the understanding of know nothing critics is pure ignorance and stupidity.
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