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12/02/2015 5:21 pm  #1101


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF  [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND  [2] WHAT IS AND IS NOT A CREED:   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]  SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [Friday]
 
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.  Romans 12:17  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Vengence does not belong to us, but belongs to Almighty God (YHWH) as brought out at Romans 12:19, [AV] “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”  And this same Biblical thought is also stated at Deuteronomy 32:35 – 36, [AV] “To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.  36  For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.” 
 
Almighty God (YHWH) goes on at Deuteronomy 32:41, [AV] “If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.”  Clearly showing that He plans to deal with all who hate Him in His own due time.
However, the righteous should not fear as He clearly shows how benefits will occur for the righteous at Deuteronomy 32:43, [AV] “Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.”  
 
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[2] What Is And Is Not A Creed:
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
Many do not understand just what a 'creed' is in the religious sense.    They look at a dictionary and read, "a system of belief and/or principles," and wrongly apply it to individuals and groups who believe only in the Bible, and NOT is some man made system of beliefs.    But the word as clearly shown by its usage and etymology when used in a religious sense specifically applies to manmade systems of beliefs.    In fact, many of these major manmade beliefs are even followed by the word 'creed' as part of their name such as Athanasian Creed, Athanasian Creed, etc. none of which appear in the Bible.    Interestingly, the word 'creed' does not even appear at all in most versions/translations of the Bible in any form, but the warning against such manmade dogma does at 2 Corinthians 4:4 and elsewhere, "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn [upon them]." (American Standard Version; ASV).
 
LET'S EXAMINE THE FACTS:
 
FIRST, The Bible, like a car repair manual,  of course is an interrelated set of information, but neither are creeds as clearly shown by the dictionary:
 
"The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000.
 
creed 
 
PRONUNCIATION:
 
  krd
 
NOUN:
 
1. A formal statement of religious belief; a confession of faith. 2. A system of belief, principles, or opinions: laws banning discrimination on the basis of race or creed; an architectural creed that demanded simple lines."
 
ETYMOLOGY:
 
Middle English crede, from Old English crda, from Latin crd, I believe. See credo. 
 
A creed is a formal statement of religious belief or a confession of faith and the connotation being with a formal belief, not a book.
 
To prove my point, there are approximately 22,000 groups claiming to be Christian and to accept the Bible, but everyone of them is different from every other one.   This variance clearly rules out stating that the Bible is in any way a system of beliefs, but clearly shows it as the Creator's (YHWH's) manual for our guidance every bit as much as a car repair manual is a guidance for the car mechanic.  As I clearly stated previously, I have no creed, but follow the Bible, God's (YHWH's) manual for our guidance and direction, all the way, not halfway as the many creeds do that establish a manmade system of beliefs with a formal statement, i.e., the Trinity, apostolic succession, ever virginity of Mary, etc. nowhere supported in any way by the manual.  The Bible, The Bible is entirely consistent - both the New Testament & the Old Testament - and is entirely practical for our day; whereas, creeds are man made entities and systems of beliefs that do NOT win God's (YHWH's) approval per 2 Corinthians 4:4, "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn [upon them]." (American Standard Version; ASV).
 
SECOND,  The word creed clearly is to be applied to those formalized beliefs of a religious organization that are in excess and/or above those expressed in God's (YHWH's) manual for mankind, the Bible, is clearly shown in the definition given for 'creeds' in the Catholic Encyclopedia,
 
Latin credo, I believe).
 
In general, a form of belief. The work, however, as applied to religious belief has received a variety of meanings, two of which are specially important. (1) It signifies the entire body of beliefs held by the adherents of a given religion; and in this sense it is equivalent doctrine or to faith where the latter is used in its objective meaning. Such is its signification in expressions like "the conflict of creeds", "charitable works irrespective of creed", "the ethics of conformity of creed", etc. (2) In a somewhat narrower sense, a creed is a summary of the principal articles of faith professed by church or community of believers. Thus by the "creeds of Christendom" are understood those formulations of the Christian faith which at various times have been drawn up and accepted by one or the other of the Christian churches. The Latins designate the creed in this sense by the name symbolum which means either a sign (symbolon) or a collection (symbole). A creed, then, would be the distinctive mark of those who hold a given belief, or a formula made up of the principal articles of that belief. A "profession of faith" is enjoined by the Church on special occasions, as at the consecration of a bishop; while the phrase "confession of faith" is commonly applied to Protestant formularies, such as the "Augsburg Confession", the "Confession of Basle", etc. It should be noted, however, that the role of Faith is not identical with creed, but, in its formal signification, means the norm or standard by which one ascertains what doctrines are to be believed. 
 
This fact or difference is also emphasized in Irivng Hexham's Concise Dictionary of Religion, first published by InterVarsity Press, Carol Stream, USA, 1994, second edition, Regent College Press, Vancouver, 1999.
 
CREED: from the Latin credo: "I believe." Creeds are a distinctive feature of CHRISTIANITY. Athough well developed creeds do not occur in the BIBLE, rather rudimentary creedal forms found there provide models for later statements; e.g. Deuteronomy 26:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-5; Romans 1:3-4; and 10:9-10. In CHRISTIAN HISTORY three creeds have achieved particular prominence: (1) the APOSTLES' creed was supposedly written by the Apostles; (2) the NICENE creed which embodies in altered form, and without the anathemas, the CHRISTOLOGICAL teaching of the Council of Nicaea adopted in answer to ARIANISM and probably rests on creeds from Jerusalem and Antioch; (3) commonly called the ATHANASIAN creed and is popularly attributed to ATHANASIUS but it is thought to be a fourth or fifth century Canticle of unknown authorship. As a direct statement of Trinitarian belief it became the test of ORTHODOXY and competence of the clergy in the West from the seventh century on. The REFORMERS valued it highly while the ANGLICANS made liturgical use of it. But the Eastern, or GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH, refused to recognize it.
 
This fact is clearly shown in what the Religious Tolerance.Org says about the word 'Catholic.'
 
Catholic: This came from the Greek word Katholikos which means "throughout the whole" or "universal." This implies a world-wide faith, rather than a local one. The Nicene Creed, recited in the churches of many Christian denominations, speaks of "one holy catholic and apostolic church."  Many faith groups refer to themselves as Catholic: the Roman Catholic Church, centered in the Vatican; Anglo-Catholics (within the Anglican Communion); and Evangelical Catholics (among Lutherans).
 
And this fact that the concept 'creed' belongs to belief systems made by man is emphasized by several entries in Encyclopedia.com as follows:
 
1.creed creed [Lat. credo=I believe], summary of basic doctrines of faith. The following are historically important Christian creeds. 1 The Nicene Creed, beginning, I believe in one God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible, and in one Lord Jesus Christ?...?. It is usually desc...
 
Related: Christian
 
2.Nicene Creed Nicene Creed: see creed. ...
 
Related: Christian
 
3.Athanasian Creed Athanasian Creedathena´zhen, exact, elaborate Roman Catholic statement on the Trinity and the Incarnation. It is no longer believed to have been written by Athanasius, but rather by an unknown Western author of the 6th cent. An English translation appears in the English Book of Common Prayer. It is sometimes called Qu...
 
Related: Roman Catholic
 
4.Nicaea, First Council of Nicaea, First Council of, 325, 1st ecumenical council, convened by Roman Emperor Constantine the Great to solve the problems raised by Arianism. It has been said that 318 persons attended, but a more likely number is 225, including every Eastern bishop of importance, four Western bishops (among them Hosius of Córdoba,...
 
Related: Roman Catholic Council
 
CONCLUSION:
 
As can readily be seen the word 'creed' when related to the subject of religion applies strictly to manmade system of beliefs and/or principles, and these often contain the word 'creed' within their name.    They are first and last NOT Bible teachings, nor are they based on them, but are the work product of humans, both groups and individuals.
 
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12/03/2015 11:25 am  #1102


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
 
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [Saturday]
 
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.  Hebrews 13:5  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
A group of warnings and blessings are dealt at Proverbs 28:18 – 28, [AV] that are for our guidance, “Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved: but he that is perverse in his ways shall fall at once.  19 He that tilleth his land shall have plenty of bread: but he that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough.  20  A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.  21 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.  22 He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him.  23 He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.  24 Whoso robbeth his father or his mother, and saith, It is no transgression; the same is the companion of a destroyer.  25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.  26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.  27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.  28 When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish, the righteous increase.”  A prudent individual will pay heed to these admonitions.
 
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Lonicera japonica, Japanese Honeysuckle
 
Abundance: plentiful
What: flowers, vine tips
How: raw, cooked 
Where: boarders, landscaping 
When: summer 
Nutritional Value: minerals (Ca, K) and protein
Other uses: nectar source for bees & butterflies; basketry
DANGERS: THERE ARE SEVERAL DEADLY HONEYSUCKLES, SO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE SAFE-TO-EAT JAPANESE HONEYSUCKLE (LONICERA JAPONICA). 
 
There are approximately 180 different Honeysuckle vines on the plant, most of which are found in China and other parts of Asia. Edibility of the different Honeysuckle vines ranges from a delicious, commonly-eaten potherb to deadly poison, depending on the species. Here in the USA, Japanese Honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica) is actually from China but was brought to the United States about 200 years ago from Japan. It is often sold in nurseries as a landscaping plant but it has escaped into the wild in many areas, where it runs rampant due to a lack of natural enemies. Luckily it is one of the best honeysuckles in regards to edibility.
 
Lonicera japonica produces both yellow and white flowers with the younger flowers being white and then fading to yellow. These flowers always appear in pairs, with a four-lobed upper petal, a single-lobed lower petal and four stamen. The leaves are oppositely arranged (one on either side of the vine) and hairy both on top and underneath. The stem also has fines hairs on it. 
 
Japanese Honeysuckle flowers can be eaten raw and have a sweet flavor due to their nectar. Many child have discovered the joy of plucking honeysuckle flowers and sucking out their nectar from the bottom. The last four inches of the vines make a pleasant and nutritious cooked green when boiled that contain calcium, phosphorous, and protein. These vine tips are bitter when raw but cooking reduces the flavor to somewhat spinach-like.
 
In some areas of China, the Japanese Honeysuckle vines were used to weave baskets.    [sourc - retrieved from  http://www.foragingtexas.com/2008/11/japanese-honeysuckle.html   on  7/1/2015]
 
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
 
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12/04/2015 11:11 am  #1103


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF  [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND  [2] IT IS HIGHTIME THAT ALL WAKE UP TO REALITY, AND [3] Guilt Comes On Organizations That Fail To Clean House Of The Wicked Ones:   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]  SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [Sunday]
 
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.  Hebrews 12:6, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Yes, Almighty God (YHWH) disciplines his genuine followers as testified to at Hebrews 12:7 - 8, [AV], “If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?  8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.”  And,Proverbs 3:11 – 12, [AV] shows this has always been his way, “My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:  12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.”  If fact, it is made clear that a loving father is one who disciplines his children at Proverbs 23:12 - 14, [AV], “Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge.  13  Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.  14  Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.” 
 
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[2] IT IS HIGHTIME THAT ALL WAKE UP TO REALITY
 
Watch: FORMER MUSLIM Goes On Fox News And ISSUES CHILLING WARNING TO AMERICA
 
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VIA| Author and former Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali appeared on Fox News’ “Hannity” on Monday  and discussed the threat of radical Islam- and its growing presence in the United States.
She spoke about her upbringing in Saudi Arabia: “I cannot describe to you what kind of a place Saudi Arabia is. It is apartheid–gender apartheid. It’s a place where using modern tools and modern money…they actually enforce 7th century rules.”

 
Saudi Arabia’s sharia law system is similar to that used by ISIS. The exception is that Saudi Arabia is considered a key U.S. ally in the region.
 
Ali said that she was amazed to hear U.S. authority figures say that “what we see, these terrorist acts, the subjugation of women, the hatred of Jews and Christians, has nothing to do with Islam.”
She criticized Obama’s approach toward radical Islam, saying, ” I just think it’s a strategy that has failed. He’s not the only one who’s tried it.”
 
While she says it is true that we are not at war with Islam, she also says that we have “hundreds of thousands of people who are at war with us”: Radical Islamists.
On a positive note, Ali insists that there “millions of peace-loving Muslims.”
 
However, she chillingly warned: “Even for Muslims who are already here…there is an active Islamization process going on in the United States of America. We’ve been in denial about it for a very, very long time. It is time that we wake up, and see who is behind this.” [sourc - retrieved from  http://tothedeathmedia.com/watch-former-muslim-goes-on-fox-news-and-issues-chilling-warning-to-america/   on  11/30/2015]
 
[3] Guilt Comes On Organizations That Fail To Clean House Of The Wicked Ones:
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
First, The world we live in is ruled by the wicked one as testified to by 1 John 5:19, “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV).  If we pick up a newspaper in any country, we find reports of cruelty and violence on an unprecedented scale.  Man’s inhumanity to man is troubling for a righteous person to contemplate as testified to at Ecclesiastes 8:9, “All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.” (AV).
 
Second, Most individuals and/or groups seek to avoid responsibility for their own actions rather than take corrective actions.   This also applies to so called religious groups that seek to absolve themselves of responsibility for the wrong actions of members, but fail, willingly, to take action against these wrong doers by purging themselves of these wicked ones.
 
THE REALITY:
 
If a religion fails to clean house of evil and wicked men when they are discovered, and especially of evil and wicked men/women taking the lead in a congregation, and/or congregations such as Pastors, Ministers, Sheiks, Imams, Bishops, Cardinals, Etc., then the religion is responsible for their wrong doing. Some religions such as Islam have never cleaned house of evil and wicked individuals when they are discovered and that religion has been violent since its beginning, and many of its members lust for violence in such acts as beheading of others, suscide bombers, makers of IEDs, etc. do to the teachings of their groups religious leaders. One notable example of an evil and wicked individual Islam well knows of who is a leader of a large group of members of Islam is Sheik Osama bin Ladin. Of course, Islam, is NOT the only religion that fails to take effective action against evil and wicked individuals and leaders of groups among them, another is the Catholic and Angalican churches that for many years just moved pedophiles to a new congregation when they were uncovered as the world's news media has so well identified. Groups seeking to keep themselves clean of evil and wicked individuals that sneak into their group take the appropriate action; to wit, they throw them out.
 
Now many religions seek to escape reality by claiming they have no provisions within their religion for purging out these wicked ones, but this is no excuse since it is their failure to provide measures for purging out these wicked ones and no one else’s.
 
Now let’s look at one such religion that tries to escape their responsibility for cleaning house so to speak.
 
ISLAM FAILS TO CLEAN HOUSE:
 
Now of course it is important to recognize that not all Muslims are terrorist and jihadists nor refuse to recognize the property rights of others, it is likewise equally important to recognize that all jihadists are members of Islam.  Islam is totally responsible for their actions as they tacitly approve of their evil wrong doing and have never cleaned house of these wicked ones.  To wit, by not doing so, they have taken on the responsibility for their wrongful actions upon themselves.  Yes, of course they are not the only religion that has failed to clean house; thus taking on the guilt of these wrong doers.  Any religion, no exception, which fails to clean house is nothing but an evil false religion.  And as previously stated, ‘Now many religions seek to escape reality by claiming they have no provisions within their religion for purging out these wicked ones, but this is no excuse since it is their failure to provide measures for purging out these wicked ones and no one else’s.’
 
CONCLUSION:
 
Many are just fooling themself, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions.   It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say.   People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders.   Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope (Pope Innocent III (1160 or 1161 – 16 July 1216)), what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them.   Therefore, it is the religion which is at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say.   Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders.   Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it.   Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
 
Likewise the failure to clean house of evil ones puts their wrongs directly upon the organization failing to throw out evil/wicked ones when they are found out.
 
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12/05/2015 7:22 pm  #1104


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Discourse on Baptism.  
With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]  SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Monday]
 
Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;  4  Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;  5  Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle’s.  Psalms 103:3 – 5,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Almighty God (YHWH) is quick to forgive all inequities if one is genuine remorseful for his/her wrong doing.  This is made clear at Psalms 103:8 – 13, [AV], “The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.  9  He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.  10  He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.  11  For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.  12  As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.  13  Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.”  This fact about Him is made abundantly clear at Psalms 30:5, [AV], “For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.”  
 
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[2]  Discourse on Baptism:
 
PART 1 - Necessary Step of Obedience for All Followers of Jesus
 

It is necessary for all followers of Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) to be baptized as clearly shown by the scriptures:
 
This was shown by the example of Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) getting baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan river, "13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:13-17 AV). We are told, " For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" (1 Peter 2:21 AV).
 
He told his followers to, "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20 AV). And the Apostle Peter stated, "44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:44-48 AV). And "" But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." (Acts 8:12 AV)
 
PART 2 - Complete Immersion Required
 
On baptism, the Bible clearly shows that it should be by complete immersion and not by sprinkling. This is clearly shown as follows, "8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. 9 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness." (Mark 1:8-12 AV). This was further highlighted "22 ¶ After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized." (John 3:23 AV). As can be seen, baptizing was always carried out near a significant body of water "36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing." (Acts 8:36-39 AV).
 
Now with Jesus being baptized as a necessary step of obedience to this Father (YHWH) and to open the way for his followers to do the will of him who sent him "13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Therefore we should clearly follow his example and be baptized by full immersion in water if we are to accept the calling of Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) " For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" (1 Peter 2:21 AV), "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20 AV), " And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48 AV), " But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." (Acts 8:12 AV).
 
Now, you will note, they were to be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost; therefore, it is important to know their names.
 
PART 3 - For A Valid Baptism One's Life Must Harmonize With Bible Standards
 
Before one gets baptized, he should first repent of his/her past wrong doings, " Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38 AV). You must put away, "22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness." (Ephesians 4:22-24 AV).
 
Last, we must turn away from deviant sexual appetite and sexual lust and cease being children of disobedience, "5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:" (Colossians 3:5-10 AV).
 
PART 4 - The Purpose of Baptism
 
Many individuals have the wrong impression about the purpose of Baptism. They feel its purpose is to wash away one's sins, but that is incorrect. To fully understand the need for baptism, we must remember that, " And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." (Hebrews 9:22 AV); that Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves), " Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:" (1 Peter 2:22 AV); " And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." (Mark 1:9 AV). These three scriptures highlight that Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) deemed it proper to get baptized, and clearly he was without sin; therefore, baptism can not be for the remission of sins, it must have another purpose.
 
Then, what is it for? Its purpose is to symbolize one's dying to his/her former course of life and of his/her dedication to hence forth do the will of God. " Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (1 Peter 2:24 AV) clearly shows that after baptism we are to live unto righteousness.
 
Therefore, the common practice of infant baptism is just as unscriptural as is baptism by sprinkling since complete immersion is a requirement as previously shown. It is necessary to embrace his words and an infant is not capable of doing so, " Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." (Acts 2:41 AV), this is further emphasized by, " But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." (Acts 8:12 AV), and by "21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli," (Luke 21-23 AV).
 
PART 5 - Baptizing In The Name Of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit
 
This section dealing with the command, " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 28:19 AV). Most individuals are familiar with this scripture, but few understand the reason for baptizing this way.
 
Subpart - In the Name of the Father
 
This is necessary as it is recognizing the office or authority of Almighty God (YHWH) who created everything and who has always existed per Psalms 90:2. This is made clear, " That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH [(YHWH)], art the most high over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18 AV), which clearly shows that he is "the most high over all the earth." And he is the source of live as stated, " For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light." (Psalms 36:9 AV)
 
He, Almighty God (YHWH), is the creator of all things, " And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth." (2 Kings 19:15 AV), and " For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us." (Isaiah 33:22 AV).
 
Subpart - In The Name of the Son
 
This is necessary as it is recognizing the office or authority of the Son, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) who is the only begotten son and the first of creation by his Father (YHWH). His Father (YHWH) exalted him to a position only second only to himself, "9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11 AV). And, he was given, " And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Revelation 19:16 AV)
 
He proved faithful to his Father (YHWH), " And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," (Revelation 1:5 AV); therefore, he became, "9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec." (Hebrews 5:9-10 AV).
 
And, last but not least, he became, "" For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5 AV), and " And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." (Hebrews 12:24 AV)
 
Subpart - In The Name of the Holy Spirit
 
This is necessary to recognize the function or activity of the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost). This is God's (YHWH's) active force that goes forth or emanates from Almighty God (YHWH). One of its functions is to act as a Comforter to mankind, " But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26 AV), "16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (John 14:16-17 AV).
 
It is the Creator's (YHWH's) force for getting things accomplished, " And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:" (Ephesians 6:17 AV), " But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God." (1 Corinthians 2:10 AV).
 
God (YHWH) pours out his active force onto his followers, "28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." (Joel 2:28-29 AV), and also caused inspired individuals to " For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21 AV).
 
Subpart - Warning
 
Baptism in the name of an organization or church is not in accord with the Word of God.
 
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12/07/2015 2:02 pm  #1105


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Tuesday]
 
We love him, because he first loved us.  1 John 4:19  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
We learn the best by example and Almighty God (YHWH) showed this by loving us while we were yet siners.  He showed this by his great sacrifice for all obedient mankind recorded at Romans 5:6 - 10, [AV] “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.  7  For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.  8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.  10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”  And as 1 John 5:9 – 10, [AV] put it, “In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.  10  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”  
 
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Lowveld milkberry Manilkara mochisia
 
Grows to be a 30 feet tall tree. Rough blackish bark, simple leaves crowded at ends of thickened spurs, small profuse green-yellow flowers, fleshy fruit, food plant. Sow Spring. Zone 10  (source - retrieved from   http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm  on  //2013)
 
Bole: Small/medium. Bark: Brownish grey/blackish with longitudinal fissures. Slash: NR. Leaf: Simple. Alternate. Terminal rosettes on short shoots. Petiole: 0.2 - 1.2 cm. Lamina: Small. 2 - 7 × 0.3 - 3 cm. Elliptic-obovate/obovate. Cuneate. Obtuse/emarginate. Entire. Glabrous/hairy on lower surface. Domatia: Absent. Glands: Absent. Stipules: Present. Thorns & Spines: Thorns and spines: Absent. Flower: Axillary. White to pale yellow. Fruit: Yellow. Red edible pulp when mature.  (source - retrieved from   http://eol.org/pages/1154579/details  on  4/3/2013)
 
An African native sapote with small, yellow, reportedly edible fruits. Very little information is available about this species and it is uncommon outside of its native range. Tree, growing to 25-35 feet. Has ornamental leaves, furry, and arranged in distinct rosettes. Likely not freeze hardy.  (source - retrieved from   http://www.tradewindsfruitstore.com/servlet/the-2365/Manilkara-mochisia--dsh--Lowveld/Detail  on  4/3/2013)
 
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
 
View plant and fruit and see comparison to other fruits at,  https://www.google.com/search?q=Lowveld+milkberry+Manilkara+mochisia&hl=en&client=firefox&hs=lDp&sa=N&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=kX9cUZ6iB4e_0QG-44HYDg&ved=0CHcQsAQ4Cg&biw=1280&bih=854
 
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12/08/2015 1:07 pm  #1106


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND  [2] Discourse On The Trinity Mystery With Three Questions:   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]  SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Wednesday]
 
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.  Mark 12:30  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Here we learn that love for Almighty God (YHWH) involves our whole hearted from the heart love for our Creator, our whole soul, mind and strength.  In other words love for God is more than an emotion, and this is highlighted at Micah 6:8, [AV] “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” 
 
Yes, we should love him without reservation. 
 
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[2]  Discourse On The Trinity Mystery With Three Questions:
 
Many groups and denominations often claim hat trinity myth is a big mystery.
 
With their claim of it being a mystery, it is, the Trinity is a mystery just like all frauds worked against mankind. It is nothing but the deceitful product of the human mind and absolutely finds not support in reality. It was adopted because of the driving force of two Roman Empire Emperors over two great church councils of an apostate church, the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. under the absolute control of Emperor Constantine, a pagan Emperor who worshipped a sun God, and the Council of Constantinople of 381 A.D., under the control of Emperor Theodosius. In other words this fraud was the political product of two Roman Empire Emperors who knew little about Christianity and cared less. Their objective was not to keep the faith pure, but to do what ever was necessary to obtain religious unity within the empire to strengthen it. "A Short History of Christian Doctrine," states, "Constantine had basically no understanding whatsoever of the questions that were being asked in Greek theology." However, both emperors, Constantine and Theodosius, understood very well that the religious division of the empire at that time was a very real threat to the empire (Roman) and they wanted to solidify their domain.
 
Of this so called mystery the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, volume 4 [From page 3012-3014], states,
 
"The term 'Trinity' is not a Biblical term and we are not using Biblical language when we define what is expressed by it as the doctrine that there is one only and true God, but in the unity of the Godhead there are three coeternal and coequal Persons, the same in substance but distinct in subsistence. A doctrine so defined can be spoken of as a Biblical doctrine only on the principle that the sense of Scripture is Scripture. And the definition of a Biblical doctrine in such un-Biblical language can be justified only on the principle that it is better to preserve the truth of Scripture than the words of Scripture.
 
"...the doctrine of the Trinity is given to us in Scripture, not in formulated doctrine, but in fragmentary allusions.
 
"The doctrine of the Trinity is purely a revealed doctrine. That is to say, it embodies a truth which has never been discovered, and is indiscoverable, by natural reason.
 
"Triads of divinities, no doubt, occur in nearly all polytheistic religions, formed under very various influences. Sometimes, as in the Egyptian triad of Osiris, Isis and Horus, it is the analogy of the human family with its father, mother and son which lies at their basis. Sometimes they are the effect of mere syncretism, three deities worshipped in different localities being brought together in the common worship of all.
 
"Sometimes they are the result apparently of nothing more than odd human tendency to think in threes, which has given the number three wide-spread standing as a sacred number.
 
"It should be needless to say that none of these triads has the slightest resemblance to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
 
"As the doctrine of the Trinity is indiscoverable by reason, so it is incapable of proof from reason. There are no analogies to it in Nature, not even in the spiritual nature of man, who is made in the image of God. In His Trinitarian mode of being, God is unique; and, as there is nothing in the universe like Him in this respect, so there is nothing which can help us to comprehend Him. Many attempts have, nevertheless, been made to construct a rational proof of the Trinity of the Godhead.
 
"Certainly we cannot speak broadly of the revelation of the doctrine of the Trinity in the Old Testament. It is a plain matter of fact that none who have depended on the revelation embodied in the Old Testament alone have ever attained to the doctrine of the Trinity.
 
"It would seem clear that we must recognize in the Old Testament doctrine of the relation of God to His revelation by the creative Word and the Spirit, at least the germ of the distinctions in the Godhead afterward fully made known in the Christian revelation."
 
NOW QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MYTHS AND REALITY:
 
(1-question) Now a question for you, Matthew says of the temptation of Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH saves), "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
 
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
 
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him." (Matthew 4:1-11, Authorized King James Bible, AV).
 
This was clearly a test of loyalty, would Jesus (Jeshua or YHWH) keep his loyalty to Almighty God (YHWH) or not. However, if he were God as per the Trinity doctrine, how could God rebel against himself and be disloyal to himself? [Please explain]
 
2-question) Let's assume for a moment that Jesus were part of a Godhead, i.e., a Trinity, the ransom price would have been infinitely higher than what God's (YHWH's) own Law required per "And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." (Exodus 21:23-25 AV) and "And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; 20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. 21 And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:19-21, AV).
 
Remember it was only a perfect human, Adam, who sinned in Eden, not God. Thus the ransom, to be equivalent or in line with God's (YHWH's) justice, had to be strictly an equivalent, i.e., a perfect human, "the last Adam." Therefore, when God sent Jesus to earth as the ransom, he made Jesus to be what would equate or satisfy justice, not an incarnation, nor a god-man, but a perfect man, " But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." (Hebrews 2:9 AV). How could any part of an almighty Godhead (Trinity) of Father (YHWH) , Son (Jesus), or holy spirit ever be lower than angels? [Please explain]
 
3-question) Supporters of the Trinity claim that in the case of Jesus, "only-begotten" is different from the dictionary definition of "begetting," that is "to procreate as the father," [Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary]. They claim that in Jesus case it means "a sort of only son relationship without the begetting; however, "Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words." Now does that sound logical to you? Can a man father a son without begetting him? [Please explain]
 
For more information go to my following very long articles on this subject and really learn the facts:
 
Documentary on the Book of John Being Anti-Trinitarian-In Multiple Parts:
 
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=388928&messageid=1108487629&lp=1109893740 
 
and;
 
Trinity = Absurd to the Extreme:
 
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=388928&messageid=1108488823&lp=1109893851
 
and;
 
Colossians 2:8-12 & John 1:1 - Learn The Facts
 
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=388928&messageid=1108488176&lp=1108488176
 
and;
 
Scourge of Christendom, The Pagan Trinity:
 
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12/10/2015 9:30 am  #1107


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Saturday]
 
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,  19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us–ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,  Ephesians 1:18 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Almighty God (YHWH) clearly showed his hand in affairs when His worship as the true God is in question per 1 Kings 18:38 – 39,  [AV] “Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.  38  Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.  39  And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.”  Here it was clear that God was taking matters into His hands.  
 
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia gummi-gutta , garcomoa ca,bpgoa.is a tropical[2] species of Garcinia native to Indonesia. Common names include garcinia cambogia (a former scientific name), as well asbrindleberry,[3] Malabar tamarind,[2] and kudam puli (pot tamarind).[4] This fruitlooks like a small pumpkin and is green to pale yellow in color.
 
Although it has received considerable media attention purporting its effects onweight loss, no clinical evidence supports this claim.[5]
 
Cultivation
Garcinia gummi-gutta is grown for its fruit in Southeast Asia, coastalKarnataka/Kerala, India, and west and central Africa. It thrives in most moist forests.
G. gummi-gutta is one of several closely related Garcinia species from the plant family Clusiaceae.[6] With thin skin and deep vertical lobes, the fruit of G. gummi-gutta and related species range from about the size of an orange to that of a grapefruit; G. gummi-gutta looks more like a small yellowish, greenish, or sometimes reddish pumpkin.[7] The color can vary considerably. When the rinds are dried and cured in preparation for storage and extraction, they are dark brown or black in color.
Along the west coast of South India, G. gummi-gutta is popularly termed "Malabar tamarind", and shares culinary uses with the tamarind (Tamarindus indica). The latter is a small and the former a quite large evergreen tree. G. gummi-gutta is also called goraka or, in some areas, simply kattcha puli (souring fruit). It is calleduppage in Kannada language and fruits are collected and dried for selling to dealers in Sirsi, Karnataka.[8]
 
Uses
 
Cooking
G. gummi-gutta is used in cooking, including in the preparation of curries. The fruit rind and extracts of Garcinia species are called for in many traditional recipes,[9] and various species of Garcinia are used similarly in food preparation in Assam (India), Thailand, Malaysia, Burma, and other Southeast Asian countries. In the IndianAyurvedic medicine, "sour" flavors are said to activate digestion. The extract and rind of G. gummi-gutta is a curry condiment in India.[4][9][10][11] It is an essential souring ingredient in the southern Thai variant of kaeng som, a sour curry.[12][13]
 
G. gummi-gutta is used commercially in fish curing, especially in Sri Lanka and South India.
 
The trees can be found in forested areas and also are protected in plantations otherwise given over to pepper, spice, and coffee production.
 
Weight loss
 
In late 2012, a United States television personality, Dr. Oz, promoted garcinia cambogia extract as "an exciting breakthrough in natural weight loss"[14] Dr. Oz's previous endorsements have often led to a substantial increase in consumer interest in the promoted products. Scientific evidence is lacking and clinical trials do not support claims that garcinia cambogia is an effective weight-loss aid.[15][16][17][18]A meta-analysis of several clinical trials found no compelling evidence for short-term weight loss.[19] Further, side effects — namely hepatotoxicity (chemical-driven liver damage) — led to one preparation being withdrawn from the market.[20][21]
A 1998 randomized, controlled trial looked at the effects of hydroxycitric acid, the purported active component in G. gummi-gutta, as a potential antiobesity agent in 135 people. The conclusion from this trial was that garcinia cambogia failed to produce significant weight loss and fat mass loss beyond that observed with placebo.[22]
 
References
1.    ^ "Garcinia gummi-gutta (L.) Roxb.". The Plant List. Royal Botanic Gardens, Kewand Missouri Botanical Garden. Retrieved 1 June 2013.
2. ^     to:a b "USDA GRIN Taxonomy".
3.    ^ "Potential treatments for insulin resistance in the horse: A comparative multi-species review". Science Direct. Retrieved 6 October 2013.
4. ^     to:a b "Meals that heal - Soul curry". The Hindu. Retrieved 3 October 2013.
5.    ^ Heymsfield SB, et al. (1998). "Garcinia cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid) as a Potential Antiobesity Agent". JAMA 280 (18): 1596–1600. doi:10.1001/jama.280.18.1596.PMID 9820262.
6.    ^ Publications & Information Directorate, Council of Scientific & Industrial Research (1986). G. cambogia Desr. The Useful Plants of India. (New Delhi: Publications & Information Directorate, 1986) 229.
7.    ^ "Fruit yellowish or reddish, size of an orange having six or eight deep longitudinal grooves in its fleshy pericarp. Pulp acid of a pleasant flavor. It is dried among the Singalese who use it in curries." Uphof, J.C. Th. (1968).
8.    ^ Rajeswari, N (29 July 2014). "Botanical Bonanza". Deccan Herald, Spectrum. Retrieved 29 July 2014.
9. ^     to:a b "The acid rinds of the ripe fruit are eaten, and in Ceylon are dried, and eaten as a condiment in curries." Drury, Heber (1873). "Garcinia gambogia (Desrous) N. 0. Clusiaceae". The Useful Plants of India, second edition. London: William H. Allen & Co. p. 220.
10.    ^ "G. Gummi-Gutta (Garcinia Cambogia) – An Ancient Indian Curry Condiment". US Premium Garcinia Cambogia. Retrieved5 May 2015.
11.    ^ "Kudampuli meencurry (fish curry with Malabar tamarind)". Secret Indian Recipe. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
12.    ^ "Kaeng Som Kung (Sour Curry with Shrimp)". Saveur. 26 February 2015. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
13.    ^ "Gaeng Som Recipe, Thai Sour Curry Recipe of Shrimp, Okra and Roselle Leaves". Thai Food Master. 30 March 2011. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
14.    ^ The Dr. Oz Show (November 5, 2012). Garcinia Cambogia: The Newest, Fastest Fat-Buster.
15.    ^ Heymsfield, S. B.; Allison, D. B.; Vasselli, J. R.; Pietrobelli, A.; Greenfield, D.; Nunez, C. (1998). "Garcinia cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid) as a Potential Antiobesity Agent: A Randomized Controlled Trial". JAMA: the Journal of the American Medical Association 280 (18): 1596–1600. doi:10.1001/jama.280.18.1596. PMID 9820262.
16.    ^ Belluz, Julia; Hoffman, Steven J. (1 January 2013). "Dr. Oz’s Miraculous Medical Advice; Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". Slate. The Slate Group. Retrieved 31 May 2013.
17.    ^ Márquez F1, Babio N, Bulló M, Salas-Salvadó J (2012). "Evaluation of the safety and efficacy of hydroxycitric acid or Garcinia cambogia extracts in humans". Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr 52 (7): 585–94. doi:10.1080/10408398.2010.500551. PMID 22530711.
18.    ^ Vasques, C. A.; Schneider, R; Klein-Júnior, L. C.; Falavigna, A; Piazza, I; Rossetto, S (2013). "Hypolipemic Effect of Garcinia cambogia in Obese Women". Phytotherapy Research 28 (6): 887–91. doi:10.1002/ptr.5076. PMID 24133059.
19.    ^ Pittler, M. H.; Ernst, E (2004). "Dietary supplements for body-weight reduction: A systematic review". The American journal of clinical nutrition 79 (4): 529–36. PMID 15051593.
20.    ^ Lobb, A. (2009). "Hepatoxicity associated with weight-loss supplements: A case for better post-marketing surveillance". World Journal of Gastroenterology 15 (14): 1786–1787. doi:10.3748/wjg.15.1786. PMC 2668789. PMID 19360927.
21.    ^ Kim YJ1, Choi MS, Park YB, Kim SR, Lee MK, Jung UJ (2013). "Garcinia Cambogia attenuates diet-induced adiposity but exacerbates hepatic collagen accumulation and inflammation". World J Gastroenterol 19 (29): 4689–701.doi:10.3748/wjg.v19.i29.4689. PMC 3732841. PMID 23922466.
22.    ^ Heymsfield, S. B.; Allison, D. B.; Vasselli, J. R.; Pietrobelli, A.; Greenfield, D.; Nunez, C. (1998). "Garcinia cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid) as a Potential Antiobesity Agent: A Randomized Controlled Trial". JAMA: the Journal of the American Medical Association 280 (18): 1596–1600. doi:10.1001/jama.280.18.1596. PMID 9820262.
 [sourc - retrieved from  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_gummi-gutta   on  10/15/2015]
 
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
 
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12/10/2015 12:40 pm  #1108


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  TRINITARIAN DOGMA, A LATE 4 TH. CENTURY INVENTION.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]  SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Friday]
 
And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.  1 Kings 17:1, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Here Elijah had delivered a very unwelcome to Ahab, the king of Israel at that time of a great drought that would come upon the land.  However, Ahab refused to accept the message and continued to act wickedly worshiping the false god Baal.  Some time later Elijah told Ahab that it would be coming to an end as recounted at 1 Kings 18:22 – 45, [AV] “Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men.  23  Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:  24  And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.  25  And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.  26  And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.  27  And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.  28  And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.  29  And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.  30  And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.  31  And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:  32  And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.  33  And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.  34  And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.  35  And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.  36  And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.  37  Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.  38  Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.  39  And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.  40  And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.  41 And Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink; for there is a sound of abundance of rain.  42  So Ahab went up to eat and to drink. And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees,  43  And said to his servant, Go up now, look toward the sea. And he went up, and looked, and said, There is nothing. And he said, Go again seven times.  44  And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man’s hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down, that the rain stop thee not.  45  And it came to pass in the mean while, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain. And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel.”  Here Almighty God (YHWH) clearly showed that He was the true God, Creator of heaven and earth.  
 
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[2]  Trinitarian Dogma, A Late 4 th. Century Invention
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
Many think the Trinity was a teaching of Jesus (Yeshua) and the early Christians, but it was not.   This teaching makes the preposterous claims that Jesus (Yeshua) and his Farther, Almighty God (YHWH) are co-equal and co-eternal; that they are just different manifestations of one god, or similar such absurdities depending on a particular creed's Trinity flavor of the day.   But let's look at the historical facts and Biblical facts and find out the truth.
 
THE TRINITY'S PRE CHRISTIAN PAGAN ORIGINS:
 
The Bible clearly tells of many pagan gods and goddesses that people worshiped.   These were gods such as Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh, and Molech as shown at 1 Kings 11:1-8, "But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; 2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. 3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. 4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. " (Authorized King James Version; AV).
 
Also, at various times many people in the ancient nation of Israel even went following other gods such as Baal.   God's (YHWH's) prophet, Elijah even presented a challenge to those who had turned aside to Baal as recorded at 1 Kings 18:17-39, "And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? 18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. 19 Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table. 20 So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel.  21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. 22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: 24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. 25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded. 30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. 31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: 32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. 33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. 34 And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. 35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. 36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. 37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. 38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. 39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God." (AV).
 
This worship of pagan gods was grouped in threes, or triads, and was also common in Jesus' (Yeshua's) day.   In fact, "The encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics"  James Hastings wrote, "In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the Trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus."    And the great Catholic historian Will Durant stated, "From Egypt came the idea of a divine trinity."   
 
DID EARLY CHRISTIANS ACKNOWLEDGE A TRINITY?
 
Let'S see if early Christians acknowledged a trinity from the Bible.   First, when the apostle Paul healed a lame man in Lystra, the people called him a god as recorded at Acts 14:8-14, "And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: 9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, 10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. 11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out," (AV).   And in Ephesus the apostle Paul was denounced by the Silversmith Demetrius for teaching against the false goddess Artemis as recorded at Acts 19:24-28, "For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; 25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. 26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: 27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. 28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians." (AV).
 
Thus people in the 1 st. Century, like today, worshiped many who are called gods per 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (AV), but the apostle Paul clearly said, "But to us there is but one God, the Father."
 
Although Jesus never claimed to be God (YHWH), his Father (YHWH), he as God's (YHWH's) appointed ruler is identified in Isaiah's prophecy by the terms, " mighty God" and " Prince of Peace," see Isaiah 9:6-7, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (AV).   Isaiah's prophecy clearly states,"of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end."    So, as the "Prince," the Son of the Great King, Almighty God (YHWH), Jesus (Yeshua) will serve as the ruler of the heavenly government under Almighty God (YHWH) per Exodus 6:3, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (AV).
 
Yet individuals will ask, In what sense is Jesus (Yeshua) a 'mighty God,' and did not the apostle John say in the Authorized King James Bible at John 1:1, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. " (AV).   Some will argue that this means that the 'Word," who was born on earth as Jesus (Yeshua) is in-fact Almighty God (YHWH) himself, but let's see if this is true.
 
If we accept this translational construct to mean that Jesus (Yeshua) himself was God Almighty (YHWH), it would contradict the preceding statement; "the Word was with God."    Why?   Well someone who is 'with' another individual/being can NOT, also, be the same as that other individual/being.
 
This is clearly shown in many Bible translations that draw a clear distinction that the 'Word' was NOT God Almighty (YHWH) such as "The New Testament," by James L. Tomanek which says, "The Word was a God," "The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading by Benjamin Wilson, based on the Interlineary Word for word English Translation of the Vatican Manuscript #1209 by Dr. J. J. Griesbach which says, "and a god was the word;" and "an American Translation," by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed says, "the word was divine."
 
It is interesting to note that Bible verses which have a similar construction to that of John 1:1 in Koine Greek use the expression "a god."   To wit, when referring to Herod Agrippa I, the crowds shouted at Acts 12:22, "And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man." (AV), and Acts 28:3-6, "And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god." (AV).   Therefore, it is in harmony with both Koine Greek grammar and the Bible to speak of the Word [Jesus (Yeshua)] as not God, but 'a god."
 
This is clearly shown by John 1:14-18, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (AV).   Thus showing "the Word" who became flesh, lived on earth as the man Jesus (Yeshua) and was seen by many people; therefore, he could not possibly be God Almighty (YHWH) since the apostle John said, "No man hath seen God at any time."
 
Some may ask with respect Thomas's exclaiming at John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." (AV) what does this mean, was not Thomas calling Jesus (Yeshua) God (YHWH)?   However, as already noted, Jesus (Yeshua) is a god in the sense of being divine, but that in no way makes him God Almighty (YHWH), his Father.    In fact, this is made very clear with respect what Jesus (Yeshua) told Mary Magdalene at John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." (AV), clearly showing he was not his Father (YHWH), but was ascending to him.   Also, bear in mind why the apostle John wrote the account with regard Thomas; it was to explain per John 20:31, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (AV) that Jesus (Yeshua) "is the Christ, the Son of God," not that he was God (YHWH).
 
THE TRINITY AND THE CREEDS:
 
Bear in mind that, as mentioned in the introduction, the Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus (Yeshua) or of the early Christians, but was actually adopted from the pagans by a creedal church to please a pagan Roman Emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun.   Let's see what some renown and respected sources say about whether the early Christians believed it and when it was adopted as a creedal doctrine in the 4 th. Century.
 
"The Living Pulpit" in its 1999 issue on the Trinity stated, "Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the Trinity is standard Christian theological fare;" But it added, that it is not "a Biblical idea."
 
Martin Werner, a professor at the University of Bern, Switzerland, observed, "Whenever in the New Testament the relationship of Jesus to God, the Father, is brought into consideration, whether with reference to his appearance as a man or to his Messianic status, it is conceived of and represented categorically as subordination."
 
The "New Catholic Encyclopedia, " (1967) discusses at great lengths the Trinity, but admits, "The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4 th. Century invention...  The formulation 'one God in three persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4 th. Century."
 
The "Christian Century," in its May 20-27, 1998 issue, quoted a pastor who acknowledges that the Trinity is "a teaching of the church rather than a teaching of Jesus."   Now the question is, if it is NOT a teaching of Jesus (Yeshua) is it consistent with what he taught?
 
IS THE TRINITY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT?
 
Let's see if the trinity is consistent with what Christ taught.   Jesus (Yeshua) taught his disciples to pray at Matthew 6:9, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." (AV), to his Father (YHWH) and not to him.
 
Also, Jesus (Yeshua) taught that is Father, God Almighty (YHWH) was greater than himself; whereas the Trinity doctrine declares them co-equal.   At John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. " (AV) he clearly states this fact, and we all know Jesus (Yeshua) does NOT lie.   And Colossians 1:15 clearly shows that he is the image of, but not Almighty God (YHWH) as we all know what an image is, and that he is "the firstborn of every creature," "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: " (AV).
 
Also, the Trinity doctrine states they are co-eternal, but Colossians 1:15, just quoted, clearly show he is "the firstborn of every creature," as does Revelation 3:14, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans  write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (AV).
 
And of course, we all know that a father comes before a son and/or exist before a son, thus to say they are coeternal is just plain foolishness and clearly not in accordance with Biblical facts just shown.   So in conclusion,  Jesus (Yeshua) although definitely a divine being is neither co-equal nor co-eternal with his Father, God Almighty (YHWH).   What is the significance of this fact?   Well it is stated at 2 Corinthians 4:4, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (AV).
 
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Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND  [2] ARE GOD (YHWH) THE FATHER, JESUS (YESHUA) THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ONE FAMILY?.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Thursday]
 
And when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done unto Jericho and to Ai,  4  They did work wilily, and went and made as if they had been ambassadors, and took old sacks upon their asses, and wine bottles, old, and rent, and bound up;  5  And old shoes and clouted upon their feet, and old garments upon them; and all the bread of their provision was dry and mouldy.  6  And they went to Joshua unto the camp at Gilgal, and said unto him, and to the men of Israel, We be come from a far country: now therefore make ye a league with us.  7  And the men of Israel said unto the Hivites, Peradventure ye dwell among us; and how shall we make a league with you?  8  And they said unto Joshua, We are thy servants. And Joshua said unto them, Who are ye? and from whence come ye?  9  And they said unto him, From a very far country thy servants are come because of the name of the LORD thy God: for we have heard the fame of him, and all that he did in Egypt,  10  And all that he did to the two kings of the Amorites, that were beyond Jordan, to Sihon king of Heshbon, and to Og king of Bashan, which was at Ashtaroth.  Joshua 9:3 – 10,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Whereas, all the other kings, Joshua 9:1 -2, [AV] “And it came to pass, when all the kings which were on this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof;  2  That they gathered themselves together, to fight with Joshua and with Israel, with one accord.” The prepared to do battle against the Israelites, the Gibeonites saw the hand of Almighty God (YHWH) acting on behalf of the Israelites and deduced it was futile to do battle with them so they worked out a scheme to conclude a covenant with them as recorded at Joshua 9:11 – 19, [AV] “Wherefore our elders and all the inhabitants of our country spake to us, saying, Take victuals with you for the journey, and go to meet them, and say unto them, We are your servants: therefore now make ye a league with us.  12  This our bread we took hot for our provision out of our houses on the day we came forth to go unto you; but now, behold, it is dry, and it is mouldy:  13  And these bottles of wine, which we filled, were new; and, behold, they be rent: and these our garments and our shoes are become old by reason of the very long journey.  14  And the men took of their victuals, and asked not counsel at the mouth of the LORD.  15 ¶  And Joshua made peace with them, and made a league with them, to let them live: and the princes of the congregation sware unto them.  16  And it came to pass at the end of three days after they had made a league with them, that they heard that they were their neighbours, and that they dwelt among them.  17  And the children of Israel journeyed, and came unto their cities on the third day. Now their cities were Gibeon, and Chephirah, and Beeroth, and Kirjathjearim.  18  And the children of Israel smote them not, because the princes of the congregation had sworn unto them by the LORD God of Israel. And all the congregation murmured against the princes.  19  But all the princes said unto all the congregation, We have sworn unto them by the LORD God of Israel: now therefore we may not touch them.”  So acknowledging the hand-of-Almighty God (YHWH) was with the Israelites instead of battle against them saved their lives and cities.  
 
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[2]  ARE GOD (YHWH) THE FATHER, JESUS (YESHUA) THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ONE FAMILY?

INTRODUCTION:
 
 
Many believe that God (YHWH), the Father; Jesus (Yeshua), the Son; and the Holy Spirit constitute one family.   But believing this does NOT make it so.  Let's examine God's (YHWH's) word, the Holy Bible and find out what it says on the subject
 
THE FACTS:
 
First, God (YHWH), the Father:
 
First, God (YHWH) is a spirit being that has always existed and whom no human has ever seen as shown at Exodus 33:20 and other places, "But," he said, "you cannot see my face; for man shall not see me and live." (RSV); and at 1 Timothy 1:17, "To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen." (RSV); and at other places in the Bible.   He is the creator of all else that exist without exception.
 
Second, the Son, Jesus (Yeshua):
 
Second, the Son, Jesus (Yeshua), who is the beloved only begotten Son of God is the first of creation, created as a spirit being, as shown at Colossians 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation;" (Revised Standard Version; RSV); and at Revelation 3:14, ""And to the angel of the church in La-odice'a write: 'The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation" (RSV).
 
This fact is amplified or repeated over 40 times in the New Testament and here are some of the places:
 
Mt 8:29 - [RSV]
And behold, they cried out, "What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?"
Mt 14:33 - [RSV]
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
Mt 16:16 - [RSV]
Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Mt 26:63 - [RSV]
But Jesus was silent. And the high priest said to him, "I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."
Mt 27:40 - [RSV]
and saying, "You who would destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross."
Mt 27:43 - [RSV]
He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him; for he said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
Mt 27:54 - [RSV]
When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe, and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!"
Mr 1:1 - [RSV]
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Mr 3:11 - [RSV]
And whenever the unclean spirits beheld him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."
Mr 5:7 - [RSV]
and crying out with a loud voice, he said, "What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me."
Mr 15:39 - [RSV]
And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that he thus breathed his last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"
Lu 1:32 - [RSV]
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
Lu 1:35 - [RSV]
And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
Lu 3:2 - [RSV]
in the high-priesthood of Annas and Ca'iaphas, the word of God came to John the son of Zechari'ah in the wilderness;
Lu 3:38 - [RSV]
the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Lu 4:3 - [RSV]
The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread."
Lu 4:9 - [RSV]
And he took him to Jerusalem, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here;
Lu 4:41 - [RSV]
And demons also came out of many, crying, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.
 
He did NOT always exist but was created.   He was first created as a spirit being and used as his Father's (YHWH's) master worker in the creation of all else per Proverbs 8:22-31.   Let's look at a Bible commentary covering this and the scriptures related to it:
 
Genesis 3:22-24, " And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever-- 23 therefore Jehovah God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden the Cherubim, and the flame of a sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." (American Standard Version; ASV).
 
This is an interesting scripture as it shows a conversation between God (YHWH) and another being up in heaven, two distinct entities in conversation.   This leads to the important question with respect to who this other being was.    To start getting an understanding to whom God (YHWH) was speaking we need to go to Proverbs 8:22-31, "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, [as] a master workman; And I was daily [his] delight, Rejoicing always before him, 31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men." (ASV), here we see that God (YHWH) was speaking to the first created being spoken of existing "Before his works of old." And shows clearly he was created before ", I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled".   This spirit being became his "Then I was by him, [as] a master workman;" now who was this spirit being?
 
Lets look at John 1:1-3 and find out who this spirit being God (YHWH) used as his "] a master workman;" is, "When all things began, the Word already was. The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was. The Word, then, was with God at the beginning, and through him all things came to be; no single thing was created without him." (the New English Bible; NEB), and clearly shows this spirit being to be the Word or God's (YHWH's) only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, and this is fact is driven home at John 1:10-14, "The Word was in the world, and though God made the world through him, yet the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to his own country, but his own people did not receive him. 12 Some, however, did receive him and believed in him; so he gave them the right to become God's children. 13 They did not become God's children by natural means, that is, by being born as the children of a human father; God himself was their Father. 14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son." (Good News Translation - Second Edition).   Clearly we see that Jesus (Yeshua) is the one spoken of as God's (YHWH's) "master workman" who God (YHWH) used to create all other things after he created him.   This fact is further highlighted at Colossians 1:12-17, "Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light, 13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins, 15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation, 16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created, 17 and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted." (Young's Literal Translation).   We can see in verse 16 that he used him in creating all other things as his  "master workman" after he created him which is testified to at Colossians 1:15 as previously quoted.
 
Therefore, the question asked at the start, who was this other being God (YHWH) was talking to has been answered, it is his only begotten Son, none other than Jesus (Yeshua) who he was talking to at Genesis 3:22.  God (YHWH) is also shown as speaking to his Son, that we know as Jesus (Yeshua) after he was given that name per Matthew 1:23, "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which is, being interpreted, God with us.'" (The Darby Translation), at Genesis 1:26,  "And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.'"(Young's Literal Translation).   These scriptures just presented from several different Bible translations leave no doubt with respect to whom God (YHWH) was speaking to in Genesis 3:22 and at Genesis 1:26; likewise they leave no doubt that God (YHWH) the Father, is a distinct and separate being from the Son he created as the first of Creation, Jesus (Yeshua) which is affirmed at Revelation 3:14, "`And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness -- the faithful and true -- the chief of the creation of God;" (Young's Literal Translation).
 
His life force was put by his Father (YHWH) into the womb of a human, the virgin Mary, and he was born as a human and seen by many other humans; whereas, his Father (YHWH) has never been seen by humans.   He was put to death, but resurrected by his Father (YHWH) as the first human resurrected for life in heaven so he would be first in everything per 1 Corinthians 15:12 - 23, "Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14 if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. 17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all men most to be pitied.  20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to " (RSV).
And now he sits at the right hand of God (YHWH) per,
 
Mr 16:19 - [RSV]
So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Lu 22:69 - [RSV]
But from now on the Son of man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God."
Ac 2:33 - [RSV]
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you see and hear.
Ac 5:31 - [RSV]
God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Ac 7:55 - [RSV]
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;
Ac 7:56 - [RSV]
and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God."
Ro 8:34 - [RSV]
who is to condemn? Is it Christ Jesus, who died, yes, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us?
 
And his Father (YHWH) made him the judge over all and/or mediator between God (YHWH) and mankind per 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (RSV).
 
Third, the Holy Spirit:
 
Third, With respect the Holy Spirit or Spirit this is God's (YHWH's) active force and/or power and not a being, either spirit or human at all.   Let's look at the scriptural facts on this as follows:
 
A Commentary covering Acts 10:19-20; Acts 16:6; Acts 13:2-4; Acts 15:28; Romans 8:14; Romans 8:26; Ephesians 4:30; and 1 Corinthians 2:10-12 that will show that the Spirit or Holy Spirit is God's (YHWH's) active force or power and emanates from him and is a force completely controlled by him, and is capable of giving him feedback and gathering for him information. 
 
But first let's see why the Spirit is indeed God's (YHWH's) active force or power from an understanding of the ancient word 'pneu'ma' translated Spirit or Holy Spirit in English.  The neuter Koine Greek word for spirit (pneu'ma) is used with the neuter pronoun "it" since it is lacks gender.   This fact is conveniently over looked or hidden by most Trinitarian translators of the Bible as admitted in the  "New American Bible Catholic Bible,"  regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ 'it.'"   So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa·ra'kle·tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine.   And in Ancient Hebrew the word here rendered Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, or Spirit which is translated from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit."   In Latin, it is spiritus, and in Sanskrit, 'prana' which means both "breath" and "spirit."  And the pertinent definition in the Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary (ISBN 0-308-10309-2 and 0-308-10310-6) clearly states, (4) <Often Cap.> In the Bible, the creative, animating power or divine influence of God...[etymology-[<Old French, 'espirit' <Latin, 'spiritus' bredth, spirit <'spirare' to breathe].  So we can see it, the Holy Spirit or Spirit is truly God's (YHWH's) active force or power and not a spirit being as are Almighty God (YHWH) and his Son, Jesus (Yeshua).  This point is very well made in the New International Version at Luke 1:35, "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[1] the Son of God." (The New International Version; NIV). Sure shows that the Holy Spirit is nothing but God's (YHWH's) active force.
 
Now from the study of science and technology we know that with respect a force there can be four possibilities or possibly five applicable questions, which are as follows:
 
(1) Is it an uncontrolled force?
 
(2) Is it a controlled force?
 
(3)  Is it controlled, but without feedback?
 
(4)  Is it controlled, but with feedback?
 
Is it direct or indirect feedback?
 
However 1 Corinthians 2:10-12 shows it to be a controlled force with feedback that appears to be direct feedback, "But unto us God revealed [them] through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. 12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God." (American Standard Version; ASV), clearly showing that the "spirit which is from God,"  and God "revealed [them] through the Spirit," and uses it to search all things, thus showing it is a controlled spirit capable of feedback.  God (YHWH) has complete control over his power or force and can choose its fields of operations as testified to at Romans 8:14, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." (ASV) clearly showing he can use to lead individuals and that it belongs to him.   And John 16:13 clearly shows it as a force, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come." Since it is quite clear that it is a controlled force, "shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak,"
 
Clearly it is a controlled force used by God (YHWH) to do many things as testified to at Acts 10:19-20, "While Peter was meditationg on the vision, the Spirit said to him, 'There are two men looking for you.  20 Get up and go down, and without hesitation go on with them, for I have sent them.'" (The New Testament by Charles B. Williams); And the fact that it is a closely controlled force is further affirmed at Acts 16:6, "And the Spirit bade me go with them, making no distinction. And these six brethren also accompanied me; and we entered into the man's house:" (ASV); And at Acts 13:2-4, "And as they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.  4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Spirit, went down to Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus." (ASV); And at Acts 15:28, "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:" (ASV) clearly indicating direct feedback to and response by God (YHWH); which is further shown by Ephesians 4:30, "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption" (ASV) which once more indicates that is gives direct feedback and it reacts to the feelings of God (YHWH) from which it emanates thus a tightly controlled force or power.
 
CONCLUSION:
 
As can be seen this is NOT a family of three spirit beings, but a family of two spirit beings.  Also, spirit beings do not have gender so there is no 'wife' figure among them.   The Holy Spirit being God's (YHWH's) active force and/or power, some of which he has given to his Son, is NOT a being at all as we have seen.
 
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12/11/2015 5:04 pm  #1110


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY – [Saturday]
 
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,  19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us–ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,  Ephesians 1:18 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Almighty God (YHWH) clearly showed his hand in affairs when His worship as the true God is in question per 1 Kings 18:38 – 39,  [AV] “Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.  38  Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.  39  And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.”  Here it was clear that God was taking matters into His hands.  
 
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
 
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Garcinia gummi-gutta , garcomoa ca,bpgoa.is a tropical[2] species of Garcinia native to Indonesia. Common names include garcinia cambogia (a former scientific name), as well asbrindleberry,[3] Malabar tamarind,[2] and kudam puli (pot tamarind).[4] This fruitlooks like a small pumpkin and is green to pale yellow in color.
 
Although it has received considerable media attention purporting its effects onweight loss, no clinical evidence supports this claim.[5]
 
Cultivation
Garcinia gummi-gutta is grown for its fruit in Southeast Asia, coastalKarnataka/Kerala, India, and west and central Africa. It thrives in most moist forests.
G. gummi-gutta is one of several closely related Garcinia species from the plant family Clusiaceae.[6] With thin skin and deep vertical lobes, the fruit of G. gummi-gutta and related species range from about the size of an orange to that of a grapefruit; G. gummi-gutta looks more like a small yellowish, greenish, or sometimes reddish pumpkin.[7] The color can vary considerably. When the rinds are dried and cured in preparation for storage and extraction, they are dark brown or black in color.
Along the west coast of South India, G. gummi-gutta is popularly termed "Malabar tamarind", and shares culinary uses with the tamarind (Tamarindus indica). The latter is a small and the former a quite large evergreen tree. G. gummi-gutta is also called goraka or, in some areas, simply kattcha puli (souring fruit). It is calleduppage in Kannada language and fruits are collected and dried for selling to dealers in Sirsi, Karnataka.[8]
 
Uses
 
Cooking
G. gummi-gutta is used in cooking, including in the preparation of curries. The fruit rind and extracts of Garcinia species are called for in many traditional recipes,[9] and various species of Garcinia are used similarly in food preparation in Assam (India), Thailand, Malaysia, Burma, and other Southeast Asian countries. In the IndianAyurvedic medicine, "sour" flavors are said to activate digestion. The extract and rind of G. gummi-gutta is a curry condiment in India.[4][9][10][11] It is an essential souring ingredient in the southern Thai variant of kaeng som, a sour curry.[12][13]
 
G. gummi-gutta is used commercially in fish curing, especially in Sri Lanka and South India.
 
The trees can be found in forested areas and also are protected in plantations otherwise given over to pepper, spice, and coffee production.
 
Weight loss
 
In late 2012, a United States television personality, Dr. Oz, promoted garcinia cambogia extract as "an exciting breakthrough in natural weight loss"[14] Dr. Oz's previous endorsements have often led to a substantial increase in consumer interest in the promoted products. Scientific evidence is lacking and clinical trials do not support claims that garcinia cambogia is an effective weight-loss aid.[15][16][17][18]A meta-analysis of several clinical trials found no compelling evidence for short-term weight loss.[19] Further, side effects — namely hepatotoxicity (chemical-driven liver damage) — led to one preparation being withdrawn from the market.[20][21]
A 1998 randomized, controlled trial looked at the effects of hydroxycitric acid, the purported active component in G. gummi-gutta, as a potential antiobesity agent in 135 people. The conclusion from this trial was that garcinia cambogia failed to produce significant weight loss and fat mass loss beyond that observed with placebo.[22]
 
References
1.    ^ "Garcinia gummi-gutta (L.) Roxb.". The Plant List. Royal Botanic Gardens, Kewand Missouri Botanical Garden. Retrieved 1 June 2013.
2. ^     to:a b "USDA GRIN Taxonomy".
3.    ^ "Potential treatments for insulin resistance in the horse: A comparative multi-species review". Science Direct. Retrieved 6 October 2013.
4. ^     to:a b "Meals that heal - Soul curry". The Hindu. Retrieved 3 October 2013.
5.    ^ Heymsfield SB, et al. (1998). "Garcinia cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid) as a Potential Antiobesity Agent". JAMA 280 (18): 1596–1600. doi:10.1001/jama.280.18.1596.PMID 9820262.
6.    ^ Publications & Information Directorate, Council of Scientific & Industrial Research (1986). G. cambogia Desr. The Useful Plants of India. (New Delhi: Publications & Information Directorate, 1986) 229.
7.    ^ "Fruit yellowish or reddish, size of an orange having six or eight deep longitudinal grooves in its fleshy pericarp. Pulp acid of a pleasant flavor. It is dried among the Singalese who use it in curries." Uphof, J.C. Th. (1968).
8.    ^ Rajeswari, N (29 July 2014). "Botanical Bonanza". Deccan Herald, Spectrum. Retrieved 29 July 2014.
9. ^     to:a b "The acid rinds of the ripe fruit are eaten, and in Ceylon are dried, and eaten as a condiment in curries." Drury, Heber (1873). "Garcinia gambogia (Desrous) N. 0. Clusiaceae". The Useful Plants of India, second edition. London: William H. Allen & Co. p. 220.
10.    ^ "G. Gummi-Gutta (Garcinia Cambogia) – An Ancient Indian Curry Condiment". US Premium Garcinia Cambogia. Retrieved5 May 2015.
11.    ^ "Kudampuli meencurry (fish curry with Malabar tamarind)". Secret Indian Recipe. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
12.    ^ "Kaeng Som Kung (Sour Curry with Shrimp)". Saveur. 26 February 2015. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
13.    ^ "Gaeng Som Recipe, Thai Sour Curry Recipe of Shrimp, Okra and Roselle Leaves". Thai Food Master. 30 March 2011. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
14.    ^ The Dr. Oz Show (November 5, 2012). Garcinia Cambogia: The Newest, Fastest Fat-Buster.
15.    ^ Heymsfield, S. B.; Allison, D. B.; Vasselli, J. R.; Pietrobelli, A.; Greenfield, D.; Nunez, C. (1998). "Garcinia cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid) as a Potential Antiobesity Agent: A Randomized Controlled Trial". JAMA: the Journal of the American Medical Association 280 (18): 1596–1600. doi:10.1001/jama.280.18.1596. PMID 9820262.
16.    ^ Belluz, Julia; Hoffman, Steven J. (1 January 2013). "Dr. Oz’s Miraculous Medical Advice; Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". Slate. The Slate Group. Retrieved 31 May 2013.
17.    ^ Márquez F1, Babio N, Bulló M, Salas-Salvadó J (2012). "Evaluation of the safety and efficacy of hydroxycitric acid or Garcinia cambogia extracts in humans". Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr 52 (7): 585–94. doi:10.1080/10408398.2010.500551. PMID 22530711.
18.    ^ Vasques, C. A.; Schneider, R; Klein-Júnior, L. C.; Falavigna, A; Piazza, I; Rossetto, S (2013). "Hypolipemic Effect of Garcinia cambogia in Obese Women". Phytotherapy Research 28 (6): 887–91. doi:10.1002/ptr.5076. PMID 24133059.
19.    ^ Pittler, M. H.; Ernst, E (2004). "Dietary supplements for body-weight reduction: A systematic review". The American journal of clinical nutrition 79 (4): 529–36. PMID 15051593.
20.    ^ Lobb, A. (2009). "Hepatoxicity associated with weight-loss supplements: A case for better post-marketing surveillance". World Journal of Gastroenterology 15 (14): 1786–1787. doi:10.3748/wjg.15.1786. PMC 2668789. PMID 19360927.
21.    ^ Kim YJ1, Choi MS, Park YB, Kim SR, Lee MK, Jung UJ (2013). "Garcinia Cambogia attenuates diet-induced adiposity but exacerbates hepatic collagen accumulation and inflammation". World J Gastroenterol 19 (29): 4689–701.doi:10.3748/wjg.v19.i29.4689. PMC 3732841. PMID 23922466.
22.    ^ Heymsfield, S. B.; Allison, D. B.; Vasselli, J. R.; Pietrobelli, A.; Greenfield, D.; Nunez, C. (1998). "Garcinia cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid) as a Potential Antiobesity Agent: A Randomized Controlled Trial". JAMA: the Journal of the American Medical Association 280 (18): 1596–1600. doi:10.1001/jama.280.18.1596. PMID 9820262.
 [sourc - retrieved from  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_gummi-gutta   on  10/15/2015]
 
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
 
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