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5/10/2016 9:56 am  #1301


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  Discourse On Apparent Bible Contradictions and Divine Inspiration.     With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]   SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 128A]
 
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.   Romans 12:1, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
The Apostle Paul here showing we must strive to live our life free of bad habits that can ruin our bodies such as smoking, recreational drug use, sexual immorality, over use of alcohol, etc.   And as 1 Corinthians 6:18, [AV] shows, “Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.”  
   
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[2]   Discourse On Apparent Bible Contradictions and Divine Inspiration:
 
 INTRODUCTION:
 
Some misguided ones who lack true Bible knowledge often contend that the Bible contradicts itself and/or promotes wrong doing, killing, or some other error.   But in reality this is not the case.  The Bible is NOT the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.
 
EXPLANATION OF WARS OF JUDGMENT:
 
There are many passages that require real study since on the surface they appear to be contradictory, but when carefully examined this has been found to NOT be the case.  One example of this they point to is God's (YHWH's) Commandment at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), and the many wars Israel engaged in at God's (YHWH's)direction in which they killed the enemy, a seeming contradiction.  But in reality it is NOT a contradiction since a loving God (YHWH) needed to execute judgment against the evil ones to protect his then chosen people.  This is shown at Deuteronomy 20:16-18, "`Only, of the cities of these peoples which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee `for' an inheritance, thou dost not keep alive any breathing; 17 for thou dost certainly devote the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee, 18   so that they teach you not to do according to all their abominations which they have done to their gods, and ye have sinned against Jehovah your God." (Young's Literal Translation; YT); and at Deuteronomy 7:16, "`And thou hast consumed all the peoples whom Jehovah thy God is giving to thee; thine eye hath no pity on them, and thou dost not serve their gods, for a snare it `is' to thee." (YLT).
 
The fact is that God (YHWH) himself actually used his forces to fight for Israel in these wars in these wars of execution of judgment as testified to at Joshua 10:14, "And there was no day like that before it or after it, that Jehovah hearkened unto the voice of a man: for Jehovah fought for Israel." (American Standard Version; ASV); and at Joshua 10:42, "And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because Jehovah, the God of Israel, fought for Israel." (ASV).   In fact, the dread of the true God (YHWH) came to be on all of the pagans as shown at 2 Chronicles 20:29, "And the fear of God was on all the kingdoms of the countries, when they heard that Jehovah fought against the enemies of Israel." (ASV).   However, early true Christians did NOT participate in the wars of men, i.e., the pagan Roman Empire as shown in a book by Professor Jesse E. Wrench, "The Christians refused to show their loyalty by burning incense to the emperor.  Being men of peace, they would not serve in the Roman armies." [source - "The March of Civilization, Ancient and Medieval World," by Jesse E. Wrench, Professor of History at the University of Missouri, 1931, page 205] showing their respect for God's (YHWH's) law in Exodus.  Another writer, Eugene A. Colligan, stated in his book, "They preferred the Kingdom of God to any kingdom that they might serve on earth....Since they believed in peace, they would not serve in Rome's imperial armies." [source - "From the Old World to the New," Eugene A. Colligan, Associate Superintendent of Schools, City of New York, and Maxwell F. Littwin, Principal, New York City Public Schools, pages 88-89].
 
EXPLANATION OF HIGHER CRITICISM FROM THE WRITINGS OF DR. GRIESBACH:
 
A Jewish scholar, ri Kuchinsky, wrote this about Dr. Griesbach:
 
"Eminent German rationalist theologian & father of modern literary/historical analysis of the biblical text. Born in Hesse, Griesbach studied under Johann S. Semler at Halle (Prussia). He expanded the  base of the Greek with what he discovered during extensive travels & published (1774-75) the first revised edition of the traditional Greek  complete with an extensive critical apparatus. He was appointed professor of NT studies at the U of Jena (1775). In 1776 he published A Synopsis of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark & Luke, the work that launched modern gospel studies. Since that time these three gospels have been referred to as "the synoptics."
 
 
Pointing to discrepancies between gospel narratives, Griesbach dismissed traditional attempts to harmonize these accounts & focused attention on their literary dependence instead. He accepted J. B. Koppe's observation that the text of Mark is often closer Luke. This led him to turn Augustine's theory that Luke used Matthew & Mark around and claim that Mark was an uninspired compilation from Matthew & Luke. In 1789 he published his defense of this thesis as "A Demonstration that the Whole Gospel of Mark is Excerpted from the Narratives of Matthew & Luke." In the 19th c. Griesbach's thesis was championed by his student, W. L. de Wette. After years of neglect it was revived in 1964 by the American scholar, W.R. Farmer as "the Two Gospel hypothesis."
In his Demonstration, Griesbach summed up his argument as follows:
 
 
This is a summary of the thesis we are defending:
* When writing his book, Mark had not only Matthew but also Luke positioned before his eyes;
* and from these (texts) he excerpted whatever deeds, speeches and sayings of the Savior he committed to memory;
* so that mainly & most often he followed Matthew as a guide;
yet sometimes, leaving Matthew, he allied himself with Luke;
* where he would stick to Matthew's tracks, he still would not let Luke out of his eyesight, but would compare him with Matthew and vice-versa;
* he would try to be brief, as he wanted to write a book with minimum mass; So not only did he leave out what was not pertinent to the role of teacher, which the Lord performed in public..., he also passed over several of Christ's wordier speeches.
* Furthermore, ...he kept in mind his readers: that is, people far from Palestine, among whom the maxims & customs of Palestinian Jews, especially the Pharisees, were not well known, nor were necessary to know; so, partly for this reason,
* he would cut out some things found in Matthew or Luke that were meant only for Jews, especially those in Palestine, or fit their way of thinking...,
* he would be stingier in citing OT passages...,
* he would add things that he thought necessary as illustration or useful for his readers to understand the narrative....
Thus, in Griesbach's view, Mark worked like a cross between a researcher & a Reader's Digest editor to produce for non-Jewish readers a single condensed version of two books, adding only minor details & 24 new sentences to passages quoted from his sources. Other scholars, like J. G. Herder, were not persuaded that this presented a realistic picture of how ancient scribes functioned.
[For full text & further information see J. J. Griesbach: Synoptic and text- critical studies 1776-1976 (ed. by B. Orchard & T. R. W. Longstaff) Cambridge: Cambridge U. Press, 1978. The passage translated here from Latin is found on pp. 76-77].
 
New Testament Textual Criticism is often seen as the most obscure of all biblical disciplines. The textual scholars are the folks whose responsibility it is actually to produce the text of the NT that the Christians are reading today. All English translations of the gospels are based on the work of these Textual Critics, who have assembled the Greek text of the gospels from many old biblical manuscripts as they saw fit.
 
Yes, generally, it's quite an obscure field... The disputes among the professional Textual Critics are still many and bitter. They still keep disputing about the simplest things. For example, they still cannot agree among themselves, Which of the three main NT texts-types -- Alexandrian, Byzantine, and Western -- is the earliest?
 
But, actually, I'm saying that the Textual Criticism isn't such a difficult area at all... In fact, the whole thing is extremely simple!
Just how simple it is? It's actually so simple that, as I see it, the biggest problem in this area had already been solved over 200 years ago! And it seems like it's been downhill ever since...
 
Thus, today's NT Textual Criticism seems to be mostly smoke and mirrors. Indeed, it now looks to me like these folks spend far more time obscuring some of the most obvious things in this area, rather than clarifying them. And, as a result -- sorry to say, friends -- our mainstream "eclectic" text of the gospels, as well as all the English translations based on it, appear to be all wrong...
 
 
The following is a brief review of the work of Griesbach, and of some other famous Textual Critics of the times long past -- the scholars such as Hug and Lachmann. This review is based on the information that I've assembled from other biblical historians. All this can be easily verified.
 
 
 
GRIESBACH HAD IT RIGHT!
looks to me like the Textual problem of the NT had been solved by J. J. Griesbach -- who was one of the great pioneers of biblical criticism -- already by the end of the 18th century! And so, everything that happened in biblical studies ever since was simply footnotes...
And the reason why it was so easy for Griesbach to solve this main textual problem was... because it was so easy! At least that's how it seems to me...
In modern TC textbooks, Dr. J. J. Griesbach is cited as the originator of the classification of all our NT MSS into the three basic families, Western, Alexandrian, and Byzantine (although we can also note that he relied on the work of his mentors, such as Semler). Griesbach also formulated almost all of the major rules of TC that are still in use even now.
 
The following account is based on an overview by Dr. A. Klijn (see the ref below), who is, himself, one of the big Textual Critics today.
 
 
According to Klijn, Griesbach started his analysis by studying the works of Origen, an early Alexandrian Church Father, and the biblical quotations as found in these writings. He observed that Origen had used two different texts of Mark; one of them close to the Alexandrian type, and the other one close to the text of Codex Bezae -- that famous very ancient NT manuscript of "Western" type. Of course, Western text was already very well known in Europe prior to Griesbach, because this was the text as represented by numerous versions of the gospels that still survive in the Old Latin.
 
Furthermore, Griesbach observed that these Western gospel texts, as found in Europe, had many similarities to the Syriac Peshitta -- a very important observation. So these unusual old texts of "Western type" could be found both in the West and in the East!
 
Griesbach could see clearly that both Western and the Alexandrian texts deviate widely from the Majority Text (which is represented for us now by the KJV). The Majority Text was the text that was most popular since the Middle Ages; thus it is found in the majority of old biblical MSS.
 
One of Griesbach's most noteworthy observations was that Western text represented a pre-recension text. In other words, according to him, these Western texts were current before the NT had been published as a whole. In Griesbach's view, when the canon was finally closed and settled upon, that older text came to be rejected by Church authorities.
 
And so, Griesbach was somewhat hesitant to describe Western text as a "recension". The only true recensions, according to him, were the Alexandrian and the Byzantine, because there's a lot more consistency within these two textual families. Thus, Western text was a pre-recension text.
 
So, as we can see, it was the Patristic evidence that led Griesbach to all these revolutionary discoveries. It was the quotes from the old Church Fathers that, according to him, still preserve for us the earliest pre-recension gospel text.
So this is how Klijn summarises these matters,
 
"Griesbach noticed that Marcion, Irenaeus and even Clement of Alexandria, who wrote before the recensions used a Western text." [SOURCE -(A. Klijn, A SURVEY OF THE RESEARCHES INTO THE WESTERN TEXT OF THE GOSPELS AND ACTS: Part 1, Utrecht, 1948, p. 7)]
 
Also, Lachmann, another great pioneer of TC, continued the work of both Griesbach and Hug. Writing in 1831, he stated that, based on the extant NT manuscripts, it was not possible to construct a text which would go any farther back than the fourth century.
 
So this was an extremely honest observation on the part of Lachmann. Indeed, to all intents and purposes, our canonical Greek texts -- whether Alexandrian or Byzantine -- are really nothing other than the Catholic texts as commonly accepted in the fourth century. (The former was popular in Egypt, but then abandoned; the latter was popular in Constantinople, and became the standard text in the early middle ages.)
 
So Griesbach was right; the earliest text was Western. (I, myself, prefer to describe it as the Peripheral text -- after all, the name "Western text" is just such an obvious misnomer, in light of the fact that it's the eastern MSS that are its key representatives. See this article where I explain this matter some more.) And he was working at the time when the ancient Old Syriac Aramaic gospels -- our main Western/Peripheral texts today -- were still unknown to scholarship! Yet, still and all, he put this whole puzzle together quite easily, using the Syriac Peshitta as his reference.
 
Sure, he was a very talented biblical scholar. But, still, how could TC wander in the wilderness so long after him? Are our modern TC scholars really so incompetent?
 
Maybe so... But, in my view, it's mostly their political bias that's to blame. They are simply not brave enough to challenge today's academic-ecclesiastical consensus -- something that Griesbach obviously wasn't afraid to do even back in the eighteenth century! [SOURCE - Yuri].
 
DR. GRIESBACH TRANSLATION FROM KOINE GREEK TO ENGLISH THE GREEK ENGLISH PORTION OF THE EMPHATIC DIALOGTT CLEARS UP AN APPARENT BIBLE CONTRADICTION:
 
With respect the Emphatic Dialogtt, the word-for-word section was done by a very renown Koine Greek expert and Bible scholar, Dr. Griesbach.  the standard or 'flowing-language' part, this was done by a newspaper reporter, Bengemin Wilson, who was not a translator, but knew how to take from what Dr. Griesbach had done as a word-for-word translation and put it into flowing English.  Reporters would naturally be good at this.
 
"Now with respect to one scripture to which the poster pointed special attention, John 1:1, I had reached exactly the same conclusion as Dr. Griesbach, but from a very different analysis as follows:
 
"John 1:1 could in no way support the doctrine of the Trinity, as follows:
 
John 1:1, "When all things began, the Word already was.  The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was" (New English Translation; NEB)
John 1:1, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (American Standard Version; ASV)
 
 
Neither mention in any way more than two beings, yet a trinity of anything requires three similar things.
 
 
However, in very careful careful analysis as an independent thinker and using my knowledge of language and translation constructs, I am able to prove it can not even support a Duality.  Let's take the poor construct of this verse found in the Authorized King James Bible (AV) which is as follows and break it down into its three sub-constructs.
 
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 
Sub-construct # 1 "In the beginning was the Word."
 
Sub-construct # 2 "and the Word was with God"
 
Sub-construct # 3 "and the Word was God."
 
It is clear that there is a mutually exclusive condition existing between sub-construct # 2 and # 3 in that sub-construct # 2 clearly says, "the Word was with God" which clearly denotes two distinct beings, one with the other; whereas, sub-construct # 3 clearly says, "and the word was God," now obviously both can NOT be true.  No individual can be with another individual and at the same time be that other individual so obviously both can NOT be so.  When we look at how the New English Translation; NEB, renders these two sub-constructs we get two sub-constructs that no longer are mutually exclusive thus accurately reflecting the intent or thought of the original writer, see sub-construct #2 "The Word dwelt with God," and sub-construct # 3 "and what God was, the Word was."
 
Of course the New English Translation; NEB, would clearly be in line with the fact that a Son, Jesus (Yeshua), would be a lot like his Father (YHWH); therefore, he would be both divine like his Father (YHWH) and a god.  To use an analogy to make this even clearer, we would expect a son dog to be a lot like father dog; a dog pure and simple; so we would also expect a son of a god to be both divine and a god.
 
In fact some Bible translations even use a god such as "And the word was a god"  The New Testament in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Achbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text.  Both this rendering and that of the NEB say the same thing in different words with the NEB making it quite clear that both the Father (YHWH) and the Son, Jesus (Yeshua), are  of the same substance which is clearly delineated at Philippians 2:1-11, "there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions, 2 make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 [doing] nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; 4 not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven and [things] on earth and [things] under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (American Standard Version; ASV).  Clearly testifying that the Son is of the same substance as the Father (YHWH), but just not as great as his Father (YHWH) as he himself testified to at John 14:28, "Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I." (ASV).  Of course this would have to be the case or Exodus 20:3 , "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (ASV) would be violated.
 
So as can be seen the more common rendering of John 1:1 can not be correct as its sub-constructs are mutually exclusive, a physical impossibility." [by Iris the Preacher, 2004].
 
So this seeming contradiction is NOT that at all, but just a biased and bad translation from the original Koine Greek into English; once more giving another example where an apparent contradiction is actually NOT one at all.  It is nothing more than a failure by some translators to correctly render what the original writer stated when writing in his language.  However, many translators, not just Dr. Griesbach, have translated this passage in line with the thinking of the original writer, some of them are:
 
 
"<2>  "the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God"   [example of Bible using,  Schonfield, 1976]"
 
"<3>  "The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the word was."   [example of Bible using, The New English Bible, NEB, 1961-present standard Bible agreed to by most denominations in the United Kingdom]"
 
"<4> "And the word was a god"  [example of Bible using, The New Testament in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Achbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text.]"
 
"<5>  "and the Word was divine"  [example of Bible using, The Bible: An American Translation, by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed. }"
 
"<8>  "the Logos was divine"  [example of Bible using,  The New Testament: A New Translation, by James Moffat]"
 
"<9>  "r war bei Gott und in allem Gott gleich"[He was with God and in all like God] [example of Bible using, Haenchen (tr. By R. Funk), 1982]"
 
"<10> "Gott (von Art) war der Logos" [God (of Kind/kind) was the Logos/logos] [example of Bible using, Die Bibel in heutigem Deutsch, 1980]"
 
My husband favors construct # 5 ; whereas I favor constructs # 3 and # 4 ; however when you reason on any of these seven, they in essence are saying the exact same thing, but in different words.  They are all recognizing that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is divine in their own way and that he is God's (YHWH's) only begotten son.  This fact is clearly shown in the Bible at Philippians 2:1-11, "If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions, 2 make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 [doing] nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; 4 not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven and [things] on earth and [things] under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (ASV).   Obviously all thinking people should believe the Bible and not accept the opinions of man.
 
As can easily be seen from these two examples, apparent contradictions in the Bible are NOT that al all, but just lack of understanding. 
 
BIBLE SHOWN RELIABLE BY ACCURATE PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS (YESHUA):
 
Is there a way to prove inspiration or, at least, intelligently present evidence for its inspiration? The answer is "Yes!" One of the best ways to prove inspiration is by examining prophecy. There are many religious books in the world that have many good things to say. But only the Bible has fulfilled prophecies--with more fulfillments to come. The Bible has never been wrong in the past, and it won't be wrong in the future. It claims inspiration from God, " All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2 Timothy 3:16 AV).  Since God is the creator of all things " Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" (Isaiah 44:24 AV), then He (YHWH) is also the creator of time. It is under His control. Only God, then, would always be right about what is in the future, our future.
 
Fulfilled prophecy is strong evidence that God is the author of the Bible because when you look at the mathematical odds of prophecy being fulfilled, you quickly see a design, a purpose, and a guiding hand behind the Bible. If just one prophecy failed, then we would know that God is not the true God, because the creator of all things, which includes time, would not be wrong about predicting the future. " When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." (Deuteronomy 18:22 AV).  And  "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; 10  declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;" (Isaiah 46:9-10 American Standard Version of 1901).
 
One writer and mathmatician, Peter Stoner has figured out the possibilities of the fulfillment of just eight (8) prophecies happening, let alone 100 having been fulfilled, and had this to say:
 
The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.
"Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."
Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157.
 
The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."  [ excerpt from book Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell.]
 
EXAMPLES OF A FEW OF THE PROPHECIES FULFILLED IN JESUS (YESHUA OR YHWH SAVES):
 
PROPHECY FULFILLED WHEN JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED
 
[ 1. Betrayed by a friend - Psalms 41:9 - John 13:18-27 - 460 BCE ]]
 
[ 2. Thirty (30) of silver thrown in Temple - Zechariah 11:13 - Matthew 27:3-5 - 518 BCE ]
 
[ 3. Betrayed for thirty (30) pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12 - Matthew 26:14-15 - 518 BCE ]
 
[ 4. Potters field bought for thirty (30) pieces of silver&Zechariah 11:13 - Matthew 27:6-10 - 518 BCE ]
 
[ 5. Forsaken by His disciples - Zechariah 13:7 - Mark 14:27-50 - 518 BCE ]
 
[ 6. Falsely accused by false witnesses - Psalms 35:11-21 - Matthew 26:59-61 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 7. Remained silent before accusers - Isaiah 53:7 - Matthew 27:12-14 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 8. Was wounded and bruised - Isaiah 53:4-6 - 1 Peter 2:21-25 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 9. Spit upon and beaten - Isaiah 50:6 - Matthew 26:67-68 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 10. Was mocked - Psalms 22:6-  8 - Matthew 27:27-  31 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 11. Fell under the cross (stauros) - Psalms 109:24-  25 - John 19:17, Luke 23:26 - 460 BCE]
 
[ 12. Had hands and feet pierced - Psalms 22:16 - John 20:24-28 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 13. Was crucified with thieves - Isaiah 53:12 - Matthew 27:38 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 14. Prayed for His enemies - Isaiah 53:12 - Luke 23:34 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 15. His own people rejected him - Isaiah 53:3 - John 19:14-15 - 732 BCE]
 
[ 16. Was hated without cause - Psalms 69:4 - John 15:25 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 17. Friends stood aloof - Psalms 38:11 -Luke 22:54; Luke 23:49 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 18. People wag their heads - Psalms 22:7; Psalms 109:25 - Matthew 27:39 - 460 BCE]
 
[19. He was stared at by people - Psalms 22:17 - Luke 23:35 - 460 BCE]
 
[ 20. Gamblers divided his clothes - Psalms 22:18 - John 19:23-24 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 21. He became very thirsty - Psalms 22:15 - John 19:28 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 22. He was given gall & vinegar - Psalms 69:21 - Matthew 27:34 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 23. He committed himself to God - Psalms 31:5 - Luke 23:46 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 24. His forsaken cry - Psalms 22:1 - Matthew 27:46 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 25. His bones not broken - Psalms 34:20 - John 19:32-36 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 26. Was buried in tomb of a rich man - Isaiah 53:9 - Matthew 27:56-60 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 27. A darkness came over the land - Amos 8:9 - Luke 23:44-45 - 804 BCE ]
 
[ 28. His heart was broken - Psalms 69:20;Psalms 22:14 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 29. His side pierced - Zechariah 12:10 - John 19:34-37 - 648 BCE ]
 
 
 
PROPHECIES FULFILLED CONCERNING HIS BIRTH
 
[ 1. Born of the seed of women - Genesis 3:15 - Galatians 4:4 - 1513 BCE ]
 
[ 2. Born to a virgin Hebrew - Isaiah 7:14 - Matthew 1:18-25 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 3. Children are killed by Herod - Jeremiah 31:15 - Matthew 2:16-18 - 580 BCE ]
 
[ 4. Born of the family line of Jesse - Isaiah 11:1 - Luke 3:32 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 5. Born into the Tribe of Judah - Genesis 49:10 - Revelations 5:5 - 1513 BCE ]
 
[ 6. Born in Bethlehem - Micah 5:2 - Matthew 2:1-6 - 717 BCE ]
 
[ 7. Seed of David - Jeremiah 23:5 - Luke 3:31 - 580 BCE ]
 
[ 8. Seed of Jacob - Numbers 24:17 - Luke 3:34 - 1473 BCE ]
 
[ 9. Seed of Isaac - Genesis 21:12 - Luke 3:23-34 - 1513 BCE ]
 
[ 10. Seed of Abraham - Genesis 22:18 - Matthew 1:1 - 1513 BCE ]
 
PROPHECIES ON HIS PERSONALITY
 
[ 1. His zeal for this Father (YHWY) - Psalms 69:9 - John 2:15-17 - 460 BCE ]
 
[2. His existence before creation - Micah 5:2 - 1 Peter 1:20 - 717 BCE ]
 
[ 3. He shall be called Lord - Psalms 110:1 - Acts 2:36 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 4. Called Immanuel (God with us) - Isaiah 7:14 - Matthew 1:22-23 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 5. Anointed by the Spirit (HS) - Isaiah 11:2 - Matthew 3:16-17 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 6. He is a Prophet - Deuteronomy 18:18-19 - Acts 3:18-25 - 1473 BCE ]
 
[ 7. He will be a Priest - Psalms 110:4 - Hebrews 5:5-6 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 8. He will be a Judge - Isaiah 33:32 - John 5:22-23 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 9. He will be a King - Psalms 2:6 - John 18:33-37 - 460 BCE ]
 
PROPHECIES CONCERNING HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY
 
[ 1. Will be preceded by a messenger - Isaiah 40:3 - Matthew 3:1-3 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 2. He would perform miracles - Isaiah 35:5-6 - Matthew 9:35 & 11:4 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 3. Ministry to begin in Galilee - Isaiah 9:1-2 - Matthew 4:12-17 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 4. Would teach with parables - Psalms 78:1-4 - Matthew 13:34-35 - 460 BCE ]
[ 5. He would preach in temple - Malachi 3:1 - Matthew 21:10-12 - 443 BCE ]
 
[ 6. Enter Jerusalem on a donkey - Zechariah 9:9 - Matthew 21:1-7 - 518 BCE ]
 
[ 7. Stone of stumbling to Jews - Isaiah 28:16; Psalms 118:22 - 1 Peter 2:6-8 - 732 BCE ]
 
[ 8. Light to Gentiles - Isaiah 49:6 - Acts 13:46-48 - 732 BCE ]
 
PROPHECIES CONCERNING HIS RESURRECTION AND ASCENSION
 
[ 1. Raised from the dead - Psalms 16:8-11 - Acts 2:24-31 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 2. Only begotten Son of God (YHWH) - Psalms 2:7 - Acts 13:32-35 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 3. Ascended to God (YHWH) - Psalms 68:18 - Ephesians 2:8-10; John 6:26 - 460 BCE ]
 
[ 4. Seated at the Right Hand of God (YHWH) - Psalms 110.1 - Hebrews 1:3-13 - 460 BCE]
 
CONCLUSION:
 
As can easily be seen from the examples given, that when an apparent contradiction is researched and studied in depth, it proves to be NOT a contradiction, but a lack of understanding on the part of those calling it a contradiction.  The Caliph Saladin, for example, once claimed the John 1:1 was a contradiction based on his reading of the Latin Vulgate of Jerome, but as we have seen, it was NOT a Bible contradiction.  It was simply a failure on the translators part to adequately capture the understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing.
 
Likewise, we can see from all the prophecies about Jesus (Yeshua) that the Bible truly is inspired and the word of God (YHWH).  As brought out by one writer, it would have been mathematically impossible for them to have all been fulfilled without God (YHWH) having given them and maneuvered events to have them fulfilled.  Also, it proves the harmony of the Bible throughout, i.e., the New Testament is simply the fulfillment of the Old Testament.
 
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5/11/2016 11:40 am  #1302


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua):.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]   SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 129A]
 
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,  21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.   Galatians 5:20 – 21, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
That all these things are highly against the will of Almighty God (YHWH) are clearly shown by the Apostle Paul’s letter to Timothy outlining the requirements for deacons at 1 Timothy 3:8 - 9, [AV] “Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;  9  Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.”
   
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[2]   Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua):
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
The coming of Jesus (Yeshua), the Messiah, was foretold by the Prophet Moses (Mosche).   In fact, Moses (Mosche)  prefigured Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.   How so?   For one the Prophet Moses was a mediator between God (YHWH) and the nation of Israel; whereas, Jesus (Yeshua) would later be made by God (YHWH), his Father, the only mediator between God (YHWH) and mankind per 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, [himself] man, Christ Jesus," (American Standard Version; ASV).   Interestingly even in death there was a parallel between the Prophet Moses and Jesus (Yeshua) in that is both cases God (YHWH) disposed of their bodies, but we will get into that in more detail later.  But unlike the Prophet Moses who stumbled, and Jesus (Yeshua) did not.   Now let's go into depth on the subject.
 
 
PREFIGURED JESUS (YESHUA) CHRIST:
 
When Jesus (Yeshua) was on earth, he made it clear that Moses (Mosche) had written about him.   On one occasion he told his opposers, John 5:43-47, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and the glory that [cometh] from the only God ye seek not? 45 Think not that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, [even] Moses, on whom ye have set your hope. 46 For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (ASV).   In fact, this was affirmed also when Jesus (Yeshua) was speaking to his disciples at  Luke 24:25-27,  "And he said unto them, O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Behooved it not the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." (ASV); and by the disciple Philip at John 1:45, "Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee underneath the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye shall see the heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." (ASV).
 
Moses (Mosche) himself wrote many things concerning Jesus (Yeshua), for example at Deuteronomy 18:17-19, "And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him." (ASV).   Interestingly the Apostle Peter, when he quoted from this prophecy left no doubt that it was referring to Jesus (Yeshua) as shown at Acts 3:18-22,  "But the things which God foreshowed by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that he may send the Christ who hath been appointed for you, [even] Jesus: 21 whom the heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, whereof God spake by the mouth of His holy prophets that have been from of old. 22 Moses indeed said, A prophet shall the Lord God raise up unto you from among your brethren, like unto me. To him shall ye hearken in all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you." (ASV).  
 
Interestingly this fact that Jesus (Yeshua) was the prophet spoken of by the Prophet Moses(Mosche)  was made vividly clear in the transfiguration scene that the the Apostles Peter, James, and John were permitted to see where Moses and Elijah were seen figuratively speaking with Jesus.   This scene represented the Law Covenant, the theocratic government or arrangement of the congregation, the deliverance of the nation, and the coming of the Promised Land.  This vision clearly showed that Jesus (Yeshua) would do greater works than Moses, and that he would also do work like that of Elijah, but in a more grand way.  Thus it was clearly manifested that Jesus (Yeshua) was the Son of God (YHWH) and was indeed the 'Prophet greater than was Moses', but let's look at what the Bible shows about the transfiguration at Matthew 17:1-3, "And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 and he was transfigured before them; and his face did shine as the sun, and his garments became white as the light. 3 And behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him." (ASV).
 
In fact, there was a significant pictorial correspondency  between these two, Jesus (Yeshua) and Moses (Mosche).  Both infants escaped a wholesale slaughter of male infants ordered by a ruler of their time.
 
 Moses (Mosche) - Exodus 1:22 and 2:1-10, "And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive." And "And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi. 2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months. 3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch; and she put the child therein, and laid it in the flags by the river's brink. 4 And his sister stood afar off, to know what would be done to him.   5 And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to bathe at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river-side; and she saw the ark among the flags, and sent her handmaid to fetch it. 6 And she opened it, and saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children. 7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee? 8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maiden went and called the child's mother. 9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it. 10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses, and said, Because I drew him out of the water." (ASV). 
 
Whereas, Jesus (Yeshua) - Matthew 2:13-18, "Now when they were departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I tell thee: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. 14 And he arose and took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt; 15 and was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt did I call my son.   16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the Wise-men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the male children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had exactly learned of the Wise-men. 17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying, 18 A voice was heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children; And she would not be comforted, because they are not. " (ASV).
 
Both were at one time called out of Egypt with God's (YHWH's) 'firstborn', the nation of Israel.  Jesus (Yeshua) was called out of Egype as God's (YHWH) firstborn son.
 
Moses (Mosche) - Exodus 4:22-23, "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, my first-born: 23 and I have said unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me; and thou hast refused to let him go: behold, I will slay thy son, thy first-born." (ASV), And Hosea 11:1, "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt." (ASV)
 
Jesus (Yeshua) - Matthew 2:15 and 19-21, "and was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt did I call my son." And "But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, 20 Arise and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead that sought the young child's life. 21 And he arose and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel." (ASV)
 
Both Moses (Mosche) and Jesus (Yeshua) were exceptionally humble and meek.
 
Moses (Mosche) - Numbers 12:3, "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men that were upon the face of the earth.
 
Jesus (Yeshua) - Matthew 11:28-30, "Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light" (ASV)
 
Both Moses (Mosche) and Jesus (Yeshua) fasted for 40 days in a wilderness location.
 
Moses (Mosche) - Exodus 34:28, "And he was there with Jehovah forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." (ASV)
 
Jesus (Yeshua) - Matthew 4:1-2, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he afterward hungered. " (ASV).
 
MOSES (MOSCHE) AND JESUS (YESHUA) AS MEDIATORS:
 
Moses (Mosche) was the mediator of the Law Covenant between God (YHWH) and the ancient nation of Israel for God (YHWH); whereas, Jesus (Yeshua) became the Mediator of the New Covenant between God (YHWH) and his nation of faithful followers, the 'spiritual Israel,' as shown at 1 Peter 2:9-12, "But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for [God's] own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 who in time past were no people, but now are the people of God: who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. 11 Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lust, which war against the soul; 12 having your behavior seemly among the Gentiles; that, wherein they speak against you as evil-doers, they may by your good works, which they behold, glorify God in the day of visitation."; and at Galatians 6:16-19, " And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace [be] upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. 17 Henceforth, let no man trouble me; for I bear branded on my body the marks of Jesus. 18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brethren. Amen" (ASV); and at Exodus 19:3-9, "And Moses went up unto God, and Jehovah called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be mine own possession from among all peoples: for all the earth is mine: 6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which Jehovah commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that Jehovah hath spoken we will do. And Moses reported the words of the people unto Jehovah." (ASV); and at Luke 22:19-20, "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, [even] that which is poured out for you" (ASV); and at Hebrews 86-7,  "But now hath he obtained a ministry the more excellent, by so much as he is also the mediator of a better covenant, which hath been enacted upon better promises. 7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second" (ASV).
 
BOTH WERE JUDGES AND LAWGIVERS.
 
Both Moses (Mosche) and Jesus (Yeshua) Christ served as lawgivers, leaders and judges of the congregation.   This was shown with respect Moses (Mosche) as a judge at Exodus 18:13, "And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood about Moses from the morning unto the evening." (ASV); and as a leader at Exodus 32:34, "And now go, lead the people unto [the place] of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine angel shall go before thee; nevertheless in the day when I visit, I will visit their sin upon them." (ASV); and Daniel 9:25, "Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times." (ASV).
 
Whereas, Jesus (Yeshua) was shown to be the appointed leader at Matthew 23:8-12,  "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, [even] he who is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, [even] the Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled; and whosoever shall humble himself shall be exalted." (ASV); and as the appointed judge at John 5:21-30,  "For as the Father raiseth the dead and giveth them life, even so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. 22 For neither doth the Father judge any man, but he hath given all judgment unto the Son; 23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father that sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself: 27 and he gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, 29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. 30 I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." (ASV); and that he would be the leader of a new congregation is shown at John 1334-35,:  "A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (ASV); and affirmed at John 15:14-17,  "Ye are my friends, if ye do the things which I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I heard from my Father, I have made known unto you. 16 Ye did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that ye should go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit should abide: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye may love one another." (ASV).
 
Whereas, Moses (Mosche) was given the stewardship over the ancient nation of Israel or God's (YHWH's) congregation at that time, Jesus (Yeshua) is given the stewardship over spiritual Israel, the congregation of God (YHWH) today per  Numbers 12:7 in the case of Moses (Mosche), "My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house:".   With respect Jesus (Yeshua) Hebrews 3:1-6 says, "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, [even] Jesus; 2 who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also was Moses in all his house. 3 For he hath been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by so much as he that built the house hath more honor than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some one; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were afterward to be spoken; 6 but Christ as a son, over his house; whose house are we, if we hold fast our boldness and the glorying of our hope firm unto the end." (ASV).
 
MEDIATOR OF A NEW COVENANT:
 
Whereas Moses (Mosche) was a mediator and judge under the old Law Covenant, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ is the mediator of the new covenant as has been shown above.   He is the greater prophet spoken of by Moses (Mosche) who prefigured him.   Some try and falsely claim that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ was just a prophet and fail to recognize he was much more since God (YHWH), his Father, has appointed him as the mediator over the New Covenant as previously shown.   In fact 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 shows that God (YHWH) has given him all authority over everything but himself who was exempted at 1 Corinthians 15:27, let's look at these scriptures, " For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming. 24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death. 27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. 28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all." (ASV).   Clearly this scripture leaves no doubt with respect to his authority and shows clearly he is the prophet greater than Moses (Mosche) that Moses (Mosche) said was coming.
 
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5/12/2016 3:05 pm  #1303


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 130A]
 
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,  21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.   Galatians 5:20 – 21, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
That all these things are highly against the will of Almighty God (YHWH) are clearly shown by the Apostle Paul’s letter to Timothy outlining the requirements for deacons at 1 Timothy 3:8 - 9, [AV] “Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;  9  Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.”
   
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Maprang, Bouea macrophylla (Bouea macrophylla Griff) is a tropical fruit tree native to Southeast Asia. The tree belongs to the family Anacardiaceae, and is related to the mango.
The evergreen tree grows to height of 25 meters. Its leaves are lanceolate to elliptic in shape (see: Leaf shape), and range from 13 to 45 cm (5 to 17 inches) long and from 5 to 7 cm (2 to 3 inches) wide.
The fruit (resembling a mango) are green in colour and mature to an orange/yellow. They grow to roughly 2 to 5 cm (0.7 to 1.9 inches) in diameter. The entire fruit, including its single seed, is edible. The fruit range from sweet to sour in flavour, and have a light smell of turpentine.  (source - retrieved from   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouea_macrophylla  on  1/21/2013)
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
 
Pictures of this fruit and the tree can be seen at,  https://www.google.com/search?q=bouea+gandaria&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=gTe&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4FH9UNHwFsiM0QGWooCgBw&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1152&bih=720
 
How this tree and other plants absorb water from the ground.   Plants have developed an effective system to absorb, translocate, store, and utilize water.  Plants contain a vast network of conduits, which consists of xylem and phloem tissues.  These conducting tissues start in the roots and continue up through the trunks of trees, into the branches and then into every leaf.  Phloem tissue is made of living elongated cells that are connected to one another and responsible for translocating nutrients and sugars (carbohydrates), which are produced by leaves for energy and growth.  The xylem is also composed of elongated cells but once the cells are formed, they die.  The walls of the xylem cells still remain intact and serve as an excellent peipline to transport water from the roots to the leaves.
 
The main driving force of water uptake and transport into a plant is transpiration of water from leaves through specialized openings called stomata.  Heat from the sun causes the water to evaporate, setting this ‘water chain’ in motion.  The evaporation creates a negative water vapor pressure.  Water is pulled into the leaf to replace the water that has transpired from the leaf.  This pulling of water, or tension, occurs in the xylem of the leaf.  Since the xylem is a continuous water column that extends from the leaf to the roots, this negative water pressure extends into the roots and results in water uptake from the soil.  [adapted from: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=follow-up-how-do-trees-ca ]
 
Clearly this clever water transport system shows a superior intelligence of the Creator (YHWH).
 
 
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5/13/2016 1:42 pm  #1304


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]   SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 131A]
 
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.   Romans 12:2,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
It is imperative we transform our life over to living it in conformance with our heavenly Father’s requirements as the Apostle Luke stated at Luke 11:13, [AV] “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?”  Here showing what James the brother of Jesus (Yeshua) wrote at James 5:14 – 15, [AV] “Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:  15  And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.”  
   
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[2]  Discourse on Intolerance:
 
INTRODUCTION
 
Let's first consider what the dictionary states intolerance is so we can have a good understanding of the word:
 
Intolerance:  (1) Incapacity or unwillingness to tolerate or endure,  (2) The state or quality of being intolerant; bigotry.  [source - Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, ISBN 0-308-10309-2/ 0-308-10310-6]
 
Some have the tendency to mix the giving of a loving warning to others with incorrect beliefs with intolerance, and in so doing are of course in error.  Now, let's look at actual cases of intolerance so as to get a better understanding of what intolerance is through actual examples.
 
INTOLERANCE DESCRIBED IN ACTION
 
a. - The case of Giordano Bruno:
 
A good example of intolerance was the burning at the stake of Giordano Bruno an Italian philosopher for proclaiming that the earth revolved around the sun, the Copernican system, under the bummer charge of being a heretic.  Why?   Because the Roman Catholic church supported the concept of the Ptolemaic system, i.e., the sun revolved around the earth and they were unwilling to tolerate or endure anyone with contrary ideas.   In fact, the bummer of a charge, heretic, literally means, one who holds beliefs or opinions contrary to an established religion.  [source - Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, ISBN 0-308-10309-2/ 0-308-10310-6].   Thus this very bummer of a charge is nothing but true intolerance, 'primi facia.'    Or put another way, intolerance is the denial of basic human rights to freedom of religious belief and life as shown by the above example.
 
b. - The case of William Tyndale:
 
William Tyndale was a righteous man brought up in the University of Oxford, who wanted his countrymen to have an understanding of God's (YHWH) Word.   He perceived that the cause of the people's spiritual blindness, and of the errors and superstitutions of the Church, was ignorance of the scriptures.   Thus Tyndale felt moved, by the Spirit of God (YHWH) to translate the Scriptures into English, his mother tongue, for the benefit of the common people.   To do so, he had to go to Germany to do so, due to the intolerant seeking his life on the bummer charge of being a heretic.
 
When the New Testament was complete, Tyndale appealed to the learned for help, for the correction of accidental errors; but the dignitaries of the Catholic Church, indignant that the people should possess the Word of God (YHWH), clamorously inveighed against it as being so full of heresy, sedition, and inaccuracies, that its suppression was the duty of the faithful.   They scanned it with  a microscopic jealousy, and magnified the inadvertent omission of a letter into a flagrant and willful perversion of the original.   The intolerant bishops and arch bishops were filled with wrath, not love as commanded at Matthew 22:36-40, " Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like [unto it] is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets." (American Standard Version; ASV). And did not rest until they had persuaded the king to take hostile proceedings in the matter.   A proclamation was then issued, under authority, which condemned and prohibited Tyndale's translation, and they conspired together in hate and intolerance how they might entangle and murder its author.   They in their intolerance and hate finally captured him and burnt him at the stake.   His last words were, "Lord, open the King of England's eyes!."
 
c. - Today, This intolerance against the true facts and those presenting them continues.
 
 Of course the intolerant can no longer burn people at the stake who believe different than they or do not believe at all since the counterfeit so called Christian church no longer has that hateful intolerant power over the civil authorities.  [source - "Foxe's Book of Martyrs," Editor, Maria Gentext King, Spire Books, Fleming H. Revell Co., Old Tappan, NJ; and Encyclopedia Britannica].   
 
However, this intolerance against true facts persist today.   Here is an example of the modern way the intolerant religious groups now operate:
 
"Regarding the situation with Edgar Goodspeed. The way it came across to me was that beginning with individuals like ex-witness Bill Cetnar and Walter Martin. WT antagonists pestered the man practically to his grave to get him to withdraw his original statement he gave in support of the NWT N.T. portion in the 1950's. To which he finally relented and did. I've heard his widow had to reaffirm it from time to time even after he past. Even in death they'll still hound you."  [source - the wife of Edgar Goodspeed].
 
Speaks for itself.
 
COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANS DOWNPLAY THEIR INTOLLERANCE
 
Today this counterfeit so called Christian church downplays the Tyndale and Giordano Bruno sagas as isolated cases, but they were not.   Here is a very small list of many thousands that clearly show this, and that it was NOT only sanctioned by, but often instigated at the direct orders of the top church leader, the Bishop of Rome himself.
 
1. The intolerant persecution of the Albigenses (Cathars) and the genocidal killing of over one million on the direct orders of Pope Innocent III.
 
2. The intolerant persecution of the Waldenses on the orders of the Bishop of Rome, the Pope.
 
3. The intolerant persecution of Aymond de Savoy, a minister of Bourdeaux and finally his strangulation and burning.
 
4. James Cobard, a schoolmaster in the city of St. Michael was burned for speaking up for religious freedom.
 
5. Peter Chapot brought a number of French Bibles to France and sold them, and for this the counterfeit church authorities had him burnt at the stake.
 
6. A Genese youth, called Thomas, having rebuked a counterfeit Christian for profane swearing was burnt at the stake in Paris.
 
7. Simon Laloe, Matthew Dimonet, and Micholas Maile were burnt for professing a religion other than the counterfeit Christian one.
 
8. The Bishop of Rome launched a savage Crusade against the peaceful Muslims in Palastine.
 
9. The counterfeit Church launched an inquisition against all other faiths in hatred and intolerance and even burned Dr. Cacalla, his brother Francis, and his sister Blanche at Valladolid for having spoken against the inquisitors.
 
[ an on and on ]
 
1,000,001   The massacre of St. Bartholomew of the Hughenots at the directions of a hateful and intolerant counterfeit so called Christian church in 1572 a.d.
 
1,000,002   The intolerant and hatred against truth by the counterfeit Christians lead to the murder of John Huss a well known reformer by burning; and the pope, in conjunction with the Council of Constance, ordered the Romish clergy everywhere to excommunicate all who adopted his opinions, or pitied his fate.
 
1,000,003   And on and on acts of hatred and intolerance by counterfeit Christians directed by their leaders, bishops, arch bishops, cardinals, and the Bishop of Rome. 
[sources - Encyclopedia Britannica; Encyclopedia Americans; "Foxe's Book of Martyrs," Editor, Maria Gentext King, Spire Books, Fleming H. Revell Co., Old Tappan, NJ; Writings of Caliph Saladin; Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, ISBN 0-308-10309-2/ 0-308-10310-6; "Violence and the Mass Media," Harper and Row 1968; "All in The Name of the Lord, " by Bill Stringfellow, Clermont Concerned Publications 1981; 'National Sunday Law," by A. Jan Marcussen, amazing Truth Publications; "The Story of Civilization." 11 vols. 1935-75, by Will Durant; "Age of Faith," by Will Durant]
 
 
CONCLUSION
 
As has been amply shown, intolerance is NOT the loving exposure of false belief and doctrines, [b]but active hate and inability to countence others with other beliefs, be they right or wrong.   It is the overt persecution, an inability to extend equal rights of others of basic human rights of freedom of thought and belief, and well being to others; or as the dictionary so well put it, the "incapacity or unwillingness to tolerate or endure" the opinions, beliefs, and ideas of others.
 
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5/14/2016 9:54 pm  #1305


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  DISCOURSE ON THE RIGHT TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.     With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]  SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 132A]
 
 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,  10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  1 Corinthians 6:9 – 10,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Yes, we must transform our lives and start living our lives in accordance with the righteous requirements of our Creator given in His word of guidance, the Bible.  As it says at 1 Corinthians 6:11, [AV] “And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”  And as 1 Timothy 1:13 – 17, [AV] the Spostle Paul says, “  Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.  14  And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.  15  This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.  16  Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.  17  Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”  
[2]   DISCOURSE ON THE RIGHT TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM:
 
All should respect religious freedom, and everyone should have an absolute right to same.  As some have noted, some religions, when they are in power fail to respect this basic human right.  This is a crime against humanity.
 
We have all seen what happens when this basic human right is not respected.   The Inquisitions and Genocides against others committed by a counterfeit Christian organization against others.  This resulted in burnings at the stake of individuals who did not believe as these Counterfeit Christians in many countries in Europe and the cutting out of the unborn child from pregnant women in Goa and elsewhere by the same group of Counterfeit Christians.
 
Their victims were charged with the bogus crime of Heresy which is defined by the dictionary as "an opinion contrary to orthodox opinion, teaching, or belief" (Webster New Standard Dictionary).   What this all means is two fold.   First, it means that this is just a vailed name for denying the basic human right of freedom of belief because he/she does not agree with you.   Second, it means the group committing attrocieies is a fradulent group since our Savior Jesus (Yeshua) Christ clearly showed at Matthew 22:36-40, "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like [unto it] is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets." (American Standard Bible; ASV).   Now since God (YHWH) is love as shown at 1 John 4:8, "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." (ASV).  Thus if one has love in his heart he/she would NOT deny others religious freedom and/or commit attrocities against him.
 

Let's look at the unloving attrocities committed against others by groups fraudulently claiming to true worshippers of God (YHWH) and/or of his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ under the veil of the bogos charge of Heresy.
 
Finally, the person who refuses submission to the Roman Pontiff, whom Vatican I defined as having a universal primacy of authority over the whole Church, is at least a material schismatic.   This was set forth by Thomas Aquinas in the case of Catholicism as one holding of a belief that is in fundamental disagreement with the established teachings or doctrines of that organization.   Now let's look in brief at some examples of crimes against humanity in direct contradiction of true Christianity fraudulently committed in the name of our Savior Jesus (Yeshua) Christ that the organization in no way REALLY represented.
 
The Church (RCC) has always fought in favor of orthodoxy and the Pope's authority as the successor of St. Peter to establish truth, which is of course a fraudulent claim. At various times in history, it has had varying degrees of power to resist or punish heretics.
 
In the early church, heresies were sometimes determined by a council of bishops, or ecumenical council, such as the First Council of Nicaea. The orthodox position was established at the council, and all who failed to adhere to it would thereafter be considered heretics. The church had little power to actually punish heretics in the early years, other than by excommunication, a spiritual punishment. To those who accepted it, an excommunication was the worst form of punishment possible, as it separated the individual from the body of Christ, his Church, and prevented salvation. Excommunication, or even the threat of excommunication, was enough to convince many a heretic to renounce his views. Priscillian achieved the distinction of becoming the first Christian burned alive for heresy in 385 at Treves.
 
In later years, the Church instituted the Inquisition, an official body charged with the suppression of heresy. The Inquisition was active in several nations of Europe, particularly where it had fervent support from the civil authority. The Albigensian Crusade [actually a genocide, the killing of over 1 million men, women, and children] of (1209-1229) was part of the Roman Catholic Church's efforts to crush the Cathars. It is linked to the movement now known as the Medieval Inquisition. The Spanish Inquisition was particularly brutal in its methods, which included the burning at the stake of many heretics.
 
Perhaps the last person to be burned alive at the stake on orders from Rome was Giordano Bruno, executed in 1600 for a collection of heretical beliefs including Copernicanism [the belief that the earth traveled around the sun as it truly does].   One particularly heinous crime against humanity was the case of John Hus, 1415 marks the Martyrdom of Jan Hus, Czech reformer, who was condemned for heresy and burned at the stake because of his outspoken appeals for church reform and for political and religious rights for the common people.
 
Conclusion, all should respect the religious freedom of others and recognize also the difference between fraudulent so called Christian organizations who do NOT do so NOR follow the Laws and Principles of God (YHWH) as stated in his written word the Holy Bible; and true Christians that do follow the Laws and Principles of God (YHWH) and do NOT commit atrocities against others who believe differently than they do.
 
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5/15/2016 5:11 pm  #1306


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  Discourse On The Trinity of Reasons That Prove The Trinity a Myth.     With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]    SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 133A]
 
I manifested thy name unto the men whom thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them to me; and they have kept thy word.   John 17:6, [American Standard Version: AVS]
 
Jesus (Yeshua) showed how important this was in what he said at John 17:14 - 26, [ASV] “I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.  15  I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one.  16  They are not of the world even as I am not of the world.  17  Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.  18  As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world.  19  And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.  20  Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word;  21  that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.  22  And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one;[[here showing they were one in purpose]]  23  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.  24  Father, I desire that they also whom thou hast given me be with me where I am, that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.  25  O righteous Father, the world knew thee not, but I knew thee; and these knew that thou didst send me;  26  and I made known unto them thy name, and will make it known; that the love wherewith thou lovedst me may be in them, and I in them.”  And Romans 10:13 – 14, [ASV] “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?  15  and how shall they preach, except they be sent? even as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that bring glad tidings of good things!”  And as Joel 2:23 states, [ASV] “Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain in just measure, and he causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first month.”  
   
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[2]   Discourse On The Trinity of Reasons That Prove The Trinity a Myth:
 
FIRST, God (YHWH) is clearly a separate and distinct individual from the son he created and superior to him and gives him all he has as revealed at John 5:24-30, " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live. 26[b] For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself: 27 and he gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, 29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. 30 I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." (American Standard Version; ASV); and Jesus (Yeshua) himself testified to this fact, that he lives because of his Father (YHWH) at John 6:57-58, "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me.  58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever." (ASV).   Thus by his own words, Jesus (Yeshua) was NOT originally eternal like his Father (YHWH), but was given life eternal by his Father (YHWH) after he had proven his faith in his Father (YHWH) under test; likewise, we must build up our faith and endure under test and we will be granted life eternal as clearly shown by John 6:57-58, previously quoted. 
 
This fact that Jesus (Yeshua) has received everything he has is further testified to at John 12:47-50 by Jesus (Yeshua), " And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (AV).
 
SECOND, John 1:1 clearly shows, even in bad and/or biased translations that there is no Trinity as it mentions only two and not three as required for any kind of trinity as trinity means three like items or what ever.   Simply put by the New English Bible, "When all things began, the Word already was. The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was. The Word, then, was with God at the beginning, and through him all things came to be; no single thing was created without him." (The New English Bible; NEB), but of course Trinitarians like to quote the King James Bible with its bad translation of this passage so let's look at John 1:1-2 in this Bible, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).   Now note the first part clearly says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,"  which clearly shows that the Word, Jesus (Yeshua) was with God (YHWH) which shows the fact of two distinct individuals and not one; then the next part says "and the Word was God" which of course would be impossible as one can not be with someone and also be that someone as we all know, a bad translation, as it goes against the rules of language; and then to top of what the true meaning of the scripture is, John 1:2 states, "The same was in the beginning with God."   It this fact is not enough in some individuals thinking to show the impossibility of the Trinity being anything but a myth, the word Trinity means three, and no matter how you translate this scripture, you can find only TWO (2) individuals named and not THREE (3); hence, no possibility of being a trinity.
Last, many Bibles with good translations of this scripture clearly show that biased translations such as that found in the King James are just that, for example the following:
"And the word was a god" - The New Testament in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Achbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text.
 
"and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson.
 
"and the Word was divine" - The Bible: An American Translation, by J.M.P. Smith and E.J. Goodspeed.
 
"the Logos was divine" - The New Testament: A New Translation, by James Moffat.
 
"what God was, the Word was" - The New English Bible.
 
"He was the same as God" - Today's English Version.
THIRD, Jesus (Yeshua) was his Father's (YHWH's) master worker before his incarnation on earth and this in keeping with the Law of Agencies as will now be shown by first considering this law of agencies and how God (YHWH) used him as his master worker:
The Jewish Law of Agencies which is basically as follows, "Jesus (Yeshua) was God's (YHWH's) appointed agent in accordance with the 'Biblical law of agency' described as, "Scripture mentions something being done by Person A, whilst another mentions it being done by Person B. This is best understood when we grasp the Schaliach Principle, or the Jewish Law of Agency, which is expressed in the dictum, "A person's agent is regarded as the person himself." Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principle." (The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowski and Geoffrey Wigoder).  Now that we know what the Jewish Law of Agencies is, let's see how it applies to Jesus (Yeshua).
 
First it is necessary to understand that Jesus (Yeshua) is often referred to as the 'Word' as shown at John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth." (ASV); And at 1 John 1:1, "That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life " (ASV); And at Revelation 19:13, "And he [is] arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God." (ASV).  That which is said about the Word in the New Testament fits remarkably the description of 'wisdom' in the Old Testament given at Proverbs 8:22-31, "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, [as] a master workman; And I was daily [his] delight, Rejoicing always before him, 31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men." (ASV).  There wisdon is personified, and represented as able to speak and act per Proverbs 8:1, "Doth not wisdom cry, And understanding put forth her voice?" (ASV).  In fact it was understood by many Christian writers of the early centuries of the C.E. that this section referred symbolically to God's (YHWH) Son, Jesus (Yeshua) in his pre-human state.  Thus, in view of the scriptures already considered, there is no denying that the Son, Jesus (Yeshua) was 'produced' by God (YHWH) 'as the "beginning of his way, Before his works of old" or the earliest of his achievements very long ago and was beside God (YHWH) as his agent or master worker during the creation of the earth as described in Proverbs just quoted.  Hebrew, like modern day Spanish, assigns gender to its nouns, and the word for 'wisdom' is always in the feminine gender.  Thus, this would remain the case even when  is personified and therefore would not rule out wisdom's being used in a figurative way to represent God's firstborn Son, Jesus (Yeshua).   It is to be remembered that the title "gohe'leth"or "Kohelet" or congregator in English that Solomon applied to himself at Ecclesiastes 1:1, "The words of Kohelet, the son of David, king in Yerushalayim" (Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible ), and this word also is in the feminine gender.
 
God's (YHWH's) own wisdom was shown in creation at Proverbs 3:19-20, "Jehovah by wisdom founded the earth; By understanding he established the heavens. 20 By his knowledge the depths were broken up, And the skies drop down the dew." (ASV), but only through his Son, Jesus (Yeshua); this is also shown at 1 Corinthians 8:6, "yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him." (ASV).  Likewise God's (YHWH's) purpose toward mankind is made manifest through his Son; therefore the Apostle John could say that Jesus (Yeshua) represents per 1 Corinthians 1:24 & 30, "but unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." (ASV); And at  "30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:" (ASV); And at 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, "but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, [even] the [wisdom] that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory: 8 which none of the rulers of this world hath known: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:" (ASV); And at Proverbs 18-21, "Riches and honor are with me; [Yea], durable wealth and righteousness. 19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; And my revenue than choice silver. 20 I walk in the way of righteousness, In the midst of the paths of justice; 21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance, And that I may fill their treasuries. " (ASV).  Thus as we can see that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ has become to us wisdom from God, and also righteousness and sanctification and a release by ransom.
 
Not a Co-Creator:
 
Jesus (Yeshua) took part with respect the creative works, but this did NOT make him a co-Creator along with his Father (YHWH).  Why not?  Because all the power for creation came from God through his Holy Spirit, or active force as shown by Genesis 1:1-2, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." (ASV); And at Psalms 33:6, "By the word of Jehovah were the heavens made, And all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." (ASV).  Of course some may object and have different views with regard to what the Holy Spirit is, but let's look at the facts.  The  "New American Bible Catholic Bible," says in a footnote regarding John 14:17: "The Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ 'it.'"   So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in connection with pa·ra'kle·tos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine.   And in Ancient Hebrew the word here rendered Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, or Spirit which is translated from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit."   In Latin, it is spiritus, and in Sanskrit, 'prana' which means both "breath" and "spirit."  Thus God (YHWH) is the source of all life, all animate creation, both visible and invisible, as shown at Psalms 36:9, "For with thee is the fountain of life: In thy light shall we see light." (ASV).  Thus all of creation including his only begotten Son owes their lives to him.  Thus, rather than being a co-Creator with his Father (YHWH), Jesus (Yeshua) was the agent or instrumentality through whom God (YHWH), the Creator, worked using him as his 'master worker.'   Jesus (Yeshua) himself gave credit to his Father (YHWH) for all of creation, see Matthew 19:4-6, "And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made [them] from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? 6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (ASV).
 
Prehuman Existance of Jesus (Yeshua):
 
Let's look at Jesus' (Yeshua's) existence before he came to earth to be born of a virgin per Matthew 1:18-25, "Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19 Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. For he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: 23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. 25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).  Jesus (Yeshua) spoke of his prehuman heavenly life before coming to earth at John 3:13, "And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven." (DRCB); And at John 6:38, "Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him that sent me." (DRCB) which shows he was sent down to earth by his Father (YHWH); And John 8:23, "And he said to them: You are from beneath: I am from above. You are of this world: I am not of this world." (DRCB) clearly showing in his own words where he came from; And at John 8:42, " Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded and came. For I came not of myself: but he sent me." (DRCB) here he tells specifically who his Father is; And John 8:52, "The Jews therefore said: Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets: and thou sayest: If any man keep my word, he shall not taste death for ever." (DRCB).  Jesus (Yeshua) was with his Father (YHWH) from the beginning of creation since he was, as previously shown, the first of God's creation and used in the creation of all else per Proverbs 8:22-31, "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, [as] a master workman; And I was daily [his] delight, Rejoicing always before him, 31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men." (ASV); And this fact was also shown at  Colossians 1:15-22, " who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; 17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it was the good pleasure [of the Father] that in him should all the fulness dwell; 20 and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, [I say], whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens. 21 And you, being in time past alienated and enemies in your mind in your evil works, 22 yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him:" (ASV); And at Revelation 3:14, "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:" (ASV), thus the scriptures identify the 'Word' or 'Logos' as God's (YHWH's) first creation, his firstborn Son.
 
Therefore, as just shown, Jesus (Yeshua) was truly the Son of his Father (YHWH) who gave him life.  This is shown to be clearly a fact at John 6:56-57, " He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me." (ASV).   Therefore, if the estimates of the age of the universe made recently by scientist are anywhere near correct, Jeusu' existence as a spirit creature started many thousands of millions of years before the creation of the first human, and this is indicated also at Micah 5:2, "But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting." (ASV).  Thus this firstborn spirit Son was used by his Father (YHWH) in the creation of all else as revealed at John 1:3, "All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made." (ASV), And at Colossians 1:16-17, "for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; 17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist." (ASV).  Included in the things that his Father (YHWH) empowered him to create would be the millions of other spirit sons of God's (YHWH's) heavenly family per Revelation 5:11, " And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels round about the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;" (ASV).  This is also highlighted with the creation of menkind when Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father (YHWH) were discussing it at Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (ASV).
 
Now as can easily be seen, the Trinity is nothing but a myth and God (YHWH) dishonoring false doctrine, the work of the Devil as previously shown in the quote of 2 Corinthians 4:4.
 
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5/16/2016 1:43 pm  #1307


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 134A]
 
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.   Matthew 7:21 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
This is a very important scripture as it provides the identity of who is a genuine follower of the Prince of Peace, Jesus (Yeshua) and who is not.  The true followers of Christ are those doing the will of his Father, Almighty God (YHWH).  Of these loyal ones, Jesus (Yeshua) said, John 17:17-19, [AV] “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18  As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.  19  And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.”  The Apostle Paul cautioned all genuine followers at Colossians 2:8 – 9, [AV] “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”  Yet most people who claim to be followers of Christ have fallen victim to the philosophy of men.   
   
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THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES:
Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the marang (Artocarpus odoratissimus), also called johey oak, green pedalai, madang, tarap, terap, timadang, or breadfruit cousin, is a tree native to Borneo, Palawan, and Mindanao Island . It is closely related to the jackfruit, cempedak, and breadfruit trees.
 
It is an evergreen tree growing to 25 m tall. The leaves are 16–50 cm long and 11–28 cm broad, similar to the Breadfruit's, but are a little less lobed. Many trees lose the leaf lobing once mature.
As indicated by the scientific name, the fruit has a strong scent, and is considered superior in flavour to both Jackfruit and Cempedak. The scent reminds some of the durian but is not so intense, and is in the thick skin and not the fruit pulp. The taste has hints of a mild creamy,almost juicy banana, and is best when not allowed to ripen thoroughly on the tree. Those ripened on the tree turn a more brownish color and will eventually fall to the ground and easily split open.
The appearance of the fruit can be regarded as an intermediate shape between the jackfruit and the breadfruit. It is round to oblong, 15–20 cm long and 13 cm broad, and weighing about 1 kg. The thick rind is covered with soft, broad spines. They become hard and brittle as the fruit matures. When fully mature the expanding arils stretch the outer rind which often appears lumpy, especially if not all seeds were pollinated. The fruit does not fall to the ground until over-ripe. It may be harvested when full size but still firm, and left to ripen until soft. Marangs change colour to greenish yellow when ripe. The ripe fruit is opened by cutting the rind around, twisting and gently pulling. If overripe they are simply pulled apart. The interior of the fruit is somewhat similar to the jackfruit's, but the color is white and the flesh is usually softer. The core is relatively large, but there are far fewer "rags" and less non-edible parts. Arils are white and the size of a grape, each containing a 15 × 8 mm seed. Once opened, the marang should be consumed quickly (in a few hours), as it loses flavour rapidly and fruit oxidizes. The seeds are also edible after boiling or roasting.
The tree is not cold tolerant (as is the breadfruit). It can grow between latitude 15° north and south, and in coastal regions where temperatures never stay under 7 °C. It is cultivated for its fruit in Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and southern Thailand. The species is largely grown for local consumption; the short shelf-life of the fruit limits its wider use.
Taxonomy
The taxonomy of Artocarpus can be confusing. The species Artocarpus sericicarpus and Artocarpus sarawakensis, known as the Pedalai, or buah tarap or Pingan or Mountain tarap is very similar to, and often confused with the Marang. Both these species are native to the same areas. However, they are still distinguishable based on their appearances when ripe. The Pedalai has hairs, like a large rambutan, and ripens red. The Pingan is even trickier, because it is the shape of a Marang, and it is an orange. It has smaller kernel sections. The Marang remains greenish when ripe and has very dense, straight green protrusions.  [source - retrieved from    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marang   on  5/24/2013]
 
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
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5/17/2016 1:56 pm  #1308


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  Discourse on the Doctrine of Nicolaitans.     With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]    SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 135A]
 
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:   1 Peter 3:18, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
As Romans 5:12, [AV] “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”  This man who gave his life as a ransom for all of obedient mankind was none other than Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) only begotten son, Jesus (Yeshua).  He per Hebrews 2:9, [AV] “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”  And 1 Corinthians 15:22 and 26, [AV] “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” And “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”  
   
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[2]    Discourse on the Doctrine of Nicolaitans:
 
Ever wonder what these two scriptures are referring to?
 
Revelations 2:6, "But this thou hast, that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." (American Standard Version)
 
Revelations 2:15, "So hast thou also some that hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans in like manner. " (ASV)
 
Basically the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans was the concept of an elite few holding power over the many and was a self centered carry over from certain Jewish 'sects' or groups that believed they were better than the masses. They carried this superiority concept over when they became Christians. However, true Christianity is opposite the wisdom of the word with respect to leadership and authority, the key here with respect the false Doctrine of the Nicolaitans was with respect to dominion and sovereignty. Whereas, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ taught that the greatest among you would be the servants of their brethren, these ones taught the Spirit of the World. This was made quite clear at Matthew 235-12,: "But all their works they do to be seen of men: for they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders [of their garments], 6 and love the chief place at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called of men, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, [even] he who is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, [even] the Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled; and whosoever shall humble himself shall be exalted." (ASV).. Their teaching was the reverse of that of Jesus (Yeshua) in that it was authoritarian based in keeping with the wisdom of the world.
 
This is the teaching of the false prophets that seek not those attributes of Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father (HYWH) of love; but seek power for themselves. Believers in the false doctrine of the Nicolaitans see power for themselves and the doctrine is actually a lust for power by the wicked and their attempt to take over all authority within a group or church. It is really an attempt by the false prophets to gain false authority that puts them in a position to be served instead of serve and to be recognized as great or special by many. It is actually a sell out of true belief that forms a basis for a hierarchy in many so-called Christian religions that have a distinct clergy and laity class. It is in reality the doctrine of all religions that are cubic in nature; that is those having a hierarchy that loves to lord it over the masses and receives adulation from them. They bask in their own self delusion and continually ask for money in the name of God (YHWH) with which to line their own pockets.
 
This fact with respect to the false prophets of the false Doctrine of Nicolaitans is made readily apparent when we look at the root Koine Greek words from which the word Nicolaitans comes, 'nikao' which means to conquer or overcome, and 'laos' which means people and which the word 'laity' comes from. Thus the two words together indicates the destruction or control of the people and referrs to the earliest form of a class distinction of what we call a priestly or clergy order. As we know, later church history divided the people and permitted the leadership over them of a type which our savior Jesus (Yeshua) never intended or wanted, hence a false doctrine. A good flowing English translation of Nicolaitans in English in my opinion would be, "deceptive control prevailing over the masses." This highlights why the Papal hierarchy of priest and clergy that got its start with the Council of Nicea of 325 AD that was presided over by a pagan Emperor Constantine really implemented the false Doctrine of Nicolaitans into its modern from that prevails over most of the so-called Christians to today.
 
However, true Christian leadership does not lord it over the people, nor have a hierarchy consisting of a priestly/clergy class and those prevailed over. True Christian leadership is shown by being a servant to the brethren. The Council of Trent stated, , "If anyone shall say that there is not in the Catholic Church a hierarchy established by the divine ordination, consisting of bishops, presbyters and ministers, let him be anathema." So we can see how strongly the false Doctrine of Nicolaitans has overtaken most of the Christian world. This is ungodly spiritual authority that neither Jesus or his apostles ever approved or sanctioned, but was instituted solely by wicked men under control of the god of this system of things per 2 corinthians 4:4, "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn [upon them]." (ASV)
 
Most of the so-called Protestant and Orthodox church adopted this false Doctrine of Nicolaitans as shown by the hierarchal arrangement they carried away from the Catholic church. However the separation of a priestly or clergy class separated and distinct from the laity is seen in all of Christendom, the only Christians not having such a separation are the monotheistic Bible is the Standard groups. However this ungodly spiritual authority, the false Doctrine of Nicolaitans, has even spilled over into the unchristian groups such as Islam, the Zoroastrians, Devil Worshipers (no surprise as it comes from the Devil), the Hindus, etc. This Doctrine of Nicolaitans is nothing more than the systematic institutionalization of prideful lust for control, manipulation, domination and unbridled power; power which only belongs to the Creator, Almighty God (YHWH). It is false doctrine that seeks to usurp what rightly only belongs to God (YHWH) and should be avoided by all.
 
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5/18/2016 8:59 am  #1309


Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  Discourse on Who and When The Bible Was Written and Who Was Its Author.     With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]   SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 136A]
 
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.  9  Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.   Joshua 1:8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Is important to focus on the meaning of what you are reading in Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) book for our guidance, the Bible; in other words, we must meditate on what we are reading in order to gain an accurate understanding.  This is stressed at Psalms 63:6, [AV] “When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.”  In fact Jesus (Yeshua) meditated a lot and prayed constantly to His Father as shown at Luke 6:12, [AV] “And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.”  
   
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[2]   Discourse on Who and When The Bible Was Written and Who Was Its Author:
 
The Bible is very important, it is the Word of God (YHWH), and should be respected as same.  The Bible is NOT the product of one committee or strongman like other so called religious books. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words, The Bible has only one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing.  What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most writers can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.
 
There are many misguided ones that try and discredit the Bible and put forth so called learned foolishness arguments and false-proofs that amount to nothing but tares per Matthew 13:24-30, "Another parable set he before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man that sowed good seed in his field:  25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away. 26 But when the blade sprang up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 And the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? whence then hath it tares? 28   And he said unto them, An enemy hath done this. And the servants say unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he saith, Nay; lest haply while ye gather up the tares, ye root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn." (American Standard Version; ASV).  These same misguided ones put forth bogus arguments that we do NOT EVEN KNOW who is the author and/or who was the scribe who wrote this or that book or some other similar misguided false nonsense. 
 
However, we well know not only who wrote the books of the Old Testament and the New Testament, but when they were written, and where they were written in most cases.  Of course there are the misguided ones who even when presented with the evidence care not to read it, but keep up with their pseudo-knowledge criticism rather than learn, pretending to know that of which they lack knowledge about. 
 
Now, following are all the books of the Old Testament with their name given first, then who was the main writer of the book [some few books having had very minor parts written by others], approximate time for the completion of the Bible book, and in most cases the location it was written at clearly showing those with their pseudo-knowledge do not know of what they speak.  But then they are NOT interested in learning anyhow:
 
Genesis - Moses - 1513 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
 
Exodus - Moses - 1512 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
 
Leviticus - Moses - 1512 B.C.E., written in the Wilderness.
 
Numbers - Moses - 1473 B.C.E., either written in the Wilderness or Plains of Moab.
 
Deuteronomy - Moses - 1473 B.C.E., Plains of Moab.
 
Joshua - Joshua - about 1450 B.C.E., written in Canaan
 
Judges - Samuel - about 1100 B.C.E., written in Israel
 
Ruth - Samuel - about 1090 B.C.E., written in Israel
 
1 Samuel - Samuel; Gad and Nathan - about 1077 B.C.E., written in Israel
 
2 Samuel -Gad and Nathan - about 1040 B.C.E., written in Israel
 
1 Kings - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Judah and Egypt.
 
2 Kings - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Judah and Egypt.
 
1 Chronicles - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written probably in Jerusalem
 
2 Chronicles - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written probably in Jerusalem
 
Ezra - Ezra - about 460 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
 
Nehemiah - Neihemiah - about 443 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
 
Esther - Mordecai - about 474 B.C.E. - written in Shushan, Elam
 
Job - Moses - about 1473 B.C.E. - written in the wilderness
 
Psalms - by David and others - about 460 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
 
Proverbs - by Solomon; Agur; and Lemuel - unknown - written in Jerusalem
 
Ecclesiastes - Solomon and others - about 1000 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
 
Song of Solomon - Solomon and others - about 1020 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
 
Isaiah - Isaiah - about 732 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
 
Jeremiah - Jeremiah - about 580 B.C.E. - written in Jerusalem
 
Lamentations - Jeremiah - about 607 B.C.E. - written near Jerusalem
 
Ezekiel - Ezekiel - about 561 B.C.E. - written in Babylon
 
Daniel - Daniel - about 536 B.C.E. - written in Babylon
 
Hosea - Hosea - after 754 B.C.E. - written in Samaria (District)
 
Joel - Joel - about 820 B.C.E. - written in Judah
 
Amos - Amos - about 803 B.C.E. - written in Judah
 
Obadiah - Obadiah - about 607 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
 
Jonah - Jonah - about 844 B.C.E. - place written unknown.
 
Micah - Micah - about 716 B.C.E. - written in Judah
 
Nahum - Nahum - about 632 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
 
Habakkuk - Habakkuk - about 628 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
 
Zephaniah - Zephaniah - about 648 B.C.E. - written in Judah.
 
Haggai - Haggai - about 520 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
 
Zechariah - Zechariah - about 518 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
 
 
Malachi - Malachi - about 443 B.C.E. - written in rebuilt Jerusalem
 
Now with respect the New Testament the scribes, divinely inspired writers used by God (YHWH) were few in number and all the books of the New Testament were written between approximately 41 A.D. and 98 A.D with the last three being Revelations, 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John, and they were all written by the Apostle John.  All of the books of the New Testament were written within the boarders of the Roman Empire.  We shall now consider who wrote each book by scribe:
 
The Apostle Matthew wrote Matthew.
 
Mark wrote Mark.
 
The Apostle Luke wrote Luke and Acts.
 
The Apostle John wrote John, Revelations, 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John.
 
The Apostle Paul wrote Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Hebrews.
 
James (the half brother of Jesus (Yeshua)) wrote James.
 
The Apostle Peter wrote 1 & 2 Peter.
 
Jude (the half brother of Jesus (Yeshua)) wrote Jude.
 
 
 
The most important thing to remember from this discourse is that Almighty God (YHWH) is the author of the entire Bible, but inspired scribes, divinely inspired individuals, to write down his thoughts in their own words over an extended period of over 1,600 years.   That it had one author is quite evident in that it retained harmony, when even most writers can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject, over such a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination.  This clearly shows that it was divinely inspired by none other than God (YHWH).
 
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Re: Scripture of the Day

COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]  Discourse on What is Faith.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1]   SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 137A]
 
Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south?  Job 39:26,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
As the great Bible scholar Matthew Poole said, “Doth the hawk fly in so singular a manner, so strongly and steadily, so constantly and unweariedly, so swiftly and speedily, so regularly and cunningly, to catch her prey, by thy wisdom; didst thou inspire her with that wisdom?” with respect Job 39:26.  Clearly shows that Almighty God (YHWH) provided the hawk with power and instinct, and as Job 38:32 – 33, [AV] says, “Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?  33  Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?”  Clearly showing Job, that He had set the limits of ability of all he created in the animal world. 
    
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[2]    Discourse on What is Faith:
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
Let's consider the definition of faith as given at Hebrews 11:1-3, "Now faith is assurance of [things] hoped for, a conviction of things not seen. 2 For therein the elders had witness borne to them. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear." (American Standard Version; ASV).   True faith is NOT credulity which is the willingness to believe something without sound evidence or because one wants to.   Genuine faith requires a basic or fundamental knowledge and acquaintance with sound evidence, and not a follow along the crowd type of belief in some false myth.   It requires a heartfelt appreciation of what is indicated by the evidence; therefore as brought out in Romans 10:8-11, "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: 9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: 10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame." (ASV), clearly showing that to have real faith, we must have accurate knowledge.
 
WHY MANY LACK ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE:
 
First, faith is a fruitage of God's (YHWH's) spirit that God (YHWH) gladly gives to those who seek it as revealed by Galatians 5:22, " But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness," (ASV); and reaffirmed at Luke 11:13, " If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (ASV).  Therefore individuals without faith are not seeking that spirit, or they are doing so for incorrect purposes and/or are resisting its operation.
 
Second, many lack accurate Bible knowledge; therefore, they lack God's (YHWH's) spirit as shown by 2 Timothy 3:16-17, " Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. 17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work." (ASV); and this is reaffirmed at 2 Samuel 23:1-3, " Now these are the last words of David. David the son of Jesse saith, And the man who was raised on high saith, The anointed of the God of Jacob, And the sweet psalmist of Israel: 2 The Spirit of Jehovah spake by me, And his word was upon my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spake to me: One that ruleth over men righteously, That ruleth in the fear of God," (ASV).   This lack of knowledge is caused by failure to study the Bible and/or the dependence on others such as a minister or a priest to tell you about the Word of God (YHWH) instead of the individual studying it for himself.   Unfortunately many have been taught the ideas and doctrines of men instead of those of God (YHWH) as found in the Bible as brought out by Matthew 15:3-9, "And he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God said, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, He that speaketh evil of father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, That wherewith thou mightest have been profited by me is given [to God]; 6 he shall not honor his father. And ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people honoreth me with their lips; But their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching [as their] doctrines the precepts of men." (ASV).
 
Third, many are disillusioned with religion.  Why?   Because they have seen the hypocrisy of the mainstream religions which claim to teach the word of God (YHWH) but instead teach the ideas and doctrines of man, and always want more money.  However, many honest hearted individuals have seen through this hypocracy and recognize the bad fruitage of the practices of these groups as brought out at Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (ASV).
 
Fourth, some do NOT understand God's (YHWH's) permission of wickedness.  That is they do not understand why God (YHWH) permits wickedness and consequently blame him for all the bad things that take place.  They fail to realize that man's inclination toward badness is not from God (YHWH), but is the result of the rebellion of Adam brought on by God's (YHWH's) arch enemy, Satan the Devil as shown at Romans 5:12, "Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--" (ASV); in fact, many may not even be aware of the existence of Satan as shown by 1 John 5:19, "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one." (ASV); and affirmed at Revelation 12:12, "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time." (ASV).   These ones are unaware of the issue of universal sovereignty and do not grasp the fact that God's (YHWH's) patience down till this time affords them an undeserved opportunity for salvation per Romans 2:1-4, "Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things. 3 And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" (ASV); or 2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (ASV).  Likewise they fail to realize that God (YHWH) has a set time to destroy the wicked and even his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) does not, per Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only" (ASV).
 
Fifth, the lives of many are dominated by fleshly desires and viewpoints, and thes ones lack any real faith since they have devoted themselves to the pursuit of other interest and hedonism.  They may say they believe the Bible, but really do not have a heartfelt appreciation of it as shown by 1 Chronicles 28:9, "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind; for Jehovah searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever." (ASV).   In other cases they have failed to nourish their faith and have let unrighteous desires dominate every inclination of their heart, and have drawn away from God (YHWH) as shown by Hebrews 3:12, "Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God:" (ASV).
 
DOCTRINE DOES NOT SAVE, ONLY ACCURATE FAITH DOES:
 
Of course doctrine does not save, but faith does as shown by Jesus (Yeshus) at Matthew 6:30, "But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?"(American Standard Version; ASV).  But faith must be with respect true and not false doctrine or it is just credulity as shown clearly by 2 Corinthians 4:4, "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn [upon them]. " (ASV).  This point was made at Acts 17:23, "For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. What therefore ye worship in ignorance, this I set forth unto you." (ASV); these people had strong faith, but it was misplaced, hence, it was just credulity and nothing more.   There is a correct way followed by few, and a wrong way followed by the majority as pointed out by the Apostle Paul at Acts 2414, "But this I confess unto thee, that after the Way which they call a sect, so serve I the God of our fathers, believing all things which are according to the law, and which are written in the prophets;" (ASV); and reinforced at Acts 27:23, "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (ASV).   To have correct faith in the truth and not unresponsive faith in credulity we must have accurate knowledge as clearly shown at Romans 12:2, "And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, and ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." (ASV).
 
JESUS' (YESHUA'S) EXAMPLE OF FAITH IN HIS FATHER (YHWH):
 
Jesus (Yeshua) who was the first of God's (YHWH's) creation had complete faith and loyalty to his Father (YHWH).  When he was tempted by his Father's (YHWH's) arch enemy, he resisted all temptations as shown in Matthew 4:1-11, "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he afterward hungered. 3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him unto an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 and he said unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him; and behold, angels came and ministered unto him." (ASV).  
 
Interestingly, for untold eons of time he had existed with his Father (YHWH) in heaven and had been his master worker with respect all else of creation as revealed by Proverbs 8:22-31, "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, [as] a master workman; And I was daily [his] delight, Rejoicing always before him, 31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men." (ASV); but had NOT been granted eternal life by his Father (YHWH) until he had proven himself faithful under trial.
 
This fact is clearly revealed at John 5:24-30, " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself: 27 and he gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, 29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. 30 I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." (ASV); and Jesus (Yeshua) himself testified to this fact, that he lives because of his Father (YHWH) at John 6:57-58, "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me.  58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever." (ASV).   Thus by his own words, Jesus (Yeshua) was NOT originally eternal like his Father (YHWH), but was given life eternal by his Father (YHWH) after he had proven his faith in his Father (YHWH) under test; likewise, we must build up our faith and endure under test and we will be granted life eternal as clearly shown by John 6:57-58, previously quoted.
 
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