COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]    PartS 1 TO 7 of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
[1]       SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 432A]
 
These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2  They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.  3  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.   John 16:1 – 3, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
But Jesus (Yeshua) said to the faithful at Matthew 11:6, [AV] “And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.”  And he went on to say, Matthew 24:9, [AV] “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.”  In fact, he had healed one individual, but his parents feared those who hated him as recorded at John 9:22, [AV] “These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.”  
 
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[2]   PartS 1 TO 7 of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Part One of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
I will be presenting a group of research studies contrasting apparent contradictions in the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible vs. real contradictions in the Quran.
 
This group of research studies will first deal with salient apparent contradictions in the Bible, and then follow with a group of research studies by the Quarnic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza.    Now let's concentrate on learning the facts with an open mind instead of a closed mind on all parts of this series.
 
Apparent Contradictions in the Bible Compared To Real Ones In The Quran and the Book of Morman:
 
It is high time that some start to realize that there are only apparent contradictions in the Bible, but when examined closely we find that these are all due to failure to comprehend what is being said, failure to understand the writing styles of the time the item was written, failure to understand the sentence construction of the ancient language, errors in translation, and biases on the part of the translator. 
 
LET'S LOOK AT ONE EXAMPLE, MATTHEW 12:37-40 FROM WELL KNOWN:
 
"Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."  But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and {yet} no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  (New American Standard Bible; NASB)
 
"Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."  He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.  For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  (New International Version; NIV)
 
"Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."  But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.  "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  (New King James Bible; NKJB)
 
"Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  (King James Version; KJV)
 
APPARENT CONTRADICTION AND ITS EXPLANATION WITH REGARD TO MATTHEW 12:37-40:
 
Some see an error or contradiction in these scriptures related to the amount of time Jesus (Yeshua) was in the grave, but there is NONE.  The true facts are:
"Yes, it does seem that way. We must remember that the Bible was written in other languages by cultures far removed from ours. Most alleged contradictions stem from a misunderstanding of certain terms and phrases. For example, Jesus predicted that He would be in the grave for "three days and three nights"(Matt.12:40). When we read the passion narratives, we see that He was crucified late Friday afternoon and that He rose from the dead, early on Sunday morning. It is impossible to get three days and three nights out of this, and I have seen many atheists refer to Jesus' prophecy as a "blatant error which completely destroys the credibility of the Bible."[source - I'd Like To Believe In Jesus, But...By Bob Siegel , Published by Campus Ambassador Press, A ministry of Mission To the Americas Wheaton, Illinois]
 
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Part Two of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Contradictions in the Quran by Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
1- Numerical Contradictions:
 
2- Creation of the Heaven and Earth
 
3- Sun-set and Sun-rise
 
4- A Resting Place For Sun!?
 
5- Why Allah Created Stars!
 
6- Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth?
 
7- Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?
 
8- Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)
 
9- Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
 
10- Is Religion Compulsive or is it not?
 
 
 
Prepared by: Syed Kamran Mirza
 
Special Note: Quranic ayats are taken mostly from translated Quran by Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana Muhiuddin Khan.
 
[b]NUMERICAL CONTRADICTIONS
 
There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?
 
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?
 
Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
 
Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
 
Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
 
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-
 
Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
 
Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS...
 
Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and ...
 
Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days
 
Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?
 
Allah's Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
 
Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning
 
Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.
 
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
 
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Part Three of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Contradictions in the Quran by Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
CREATION OF THE HEAVEN AND EARTH
 
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first.
 
Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)....
 
Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth
 
 
Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no "roof" over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!
 
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Part Four of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Contradictions in the Quran by Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
This part consist of: 3- Sun-set and Sun-rise and 4- A Resting Place For Sun!?
 
SUN-SET AND SUN-RISE
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:
 
Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring...
 
Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.
 
Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting "far away". It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.
 
A RESTING PLACE FOR SUN!?
 
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
 
Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth's rotation and NOT by Sun's rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun's Gravity, like we are stuck in earth's gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth's rotation.
 
A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?
 
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, "Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?" I replied, I do not know, only Allah's apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, "After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah's Aro'sh and waits for Allah's command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth".
 
Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
 
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Part Five of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Contradictions in the Quran by Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
Part Five consist of 5- Why Allah Created Stars! And 6- Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth? 
 
WHY OLD MIDDLE EASTERN CELESTIAL MOON GOD, "ALLAH," CREATED STARS!
 
Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
 
Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans...
 
Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
 
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.
 
IS SKY/HEAVEN A ROOF OR CANOPY OVER THE EARTH?
 
Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.
 
Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed...
 
Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy
 
Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent Earth from shaking? Give me a break!
 
Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day
 
Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens...
 
Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder
 
Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft)
 
Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster.
 
Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: beautiful blue-sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as roof/sky or any canopy over the Earth; rather all around Earth is a limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/shatter or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open , there is no walls, where from doors will come? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: "I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head."
 
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Part Six of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Contradictions in the Quran by Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
Part Six consist of 7- Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth? And
8- Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)
 
DOES SUN ROTATE AROUND THE EARTH?
 
Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.
 
Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.
 
Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran. Because, Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun's movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," by saying: look Quran told about sun's movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe. And obviously this movement of sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the Earth's gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all.
 
Why then, Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," was telling the Sun's movement again and again. I have already mentioned above, why Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," was hysteric about the Sun's movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," has to mentioned about the Sun's 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night? What relation Sun's movement has with the day and night?
 
DOES EARTH SPREAD OUT LIKE CARPET (FLAT)?
 
Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;
 
Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?
 
Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us. Allah is really merciful scientist.
 
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Part Seven of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Contradictions in the Quran by Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
Part Seven consist of 9- Is Man Created From Clotted Blood? And 10- Is Religion Compulsive or is it not?
 
IS MAN CREATED FROM CLOTTED BLOOD?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: "Zamaa't Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi" And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned...
 
Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood
 
There are serious scientific problems here:
 
Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran's assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood that is seen to emerge (much of which comes from mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarrying flesh. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.
 
Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).
 
Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we humans have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one's teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen's hypothesis.
 
Also, the idea of saying: "made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle" came from the technique of making animal statue out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of an unlettered man.
 
IS RELIGION COMPULSIVE OR IS IT NOT?
 
Quran 02: 256 There is no Compulsion in religion....
 
OR
 
Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.
 
Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush....
 
Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads....
 
Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
 
Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of....unbelievers.
 
Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.
 
In very many Ayats Allah claimed that, He has given this Quran in the easy and clear language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by the ordinary Arabs.
 
Quran 44: 58 Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed.
 
No matter which translated Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self explanatory and it does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend what is the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigot Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah's ignorance.
 
Comments:
The Holy Quran is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, no chronology or chapters, grammatical errors, etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran. The above-mentioned Ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots.
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COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]   PARTS EIGHT TO THIRTEEN OF A SERIES OF APPARENT BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS VS. REAL CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN
 
[1]       SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 434A]
 
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:  15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)  Romans 2:14 – 15, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Interestingly as Romans 2:14 – 15, says, due to an inborn conscious many abhor what is wrong who have no knowledge of Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) law do what is right.  And as stated in Deuteronomy 26:19, [AV] “And to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the LORD thy God, as he hath spoken.”  Psalms 147:20, [AV] “He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.” 
 
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[2]       PARTS  EIGHT TO THIRTEEN OF A SERIES OF APPARENT BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS VS. REAL CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN:
Part Eight of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Additional Contradictions in the Quran by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
More Errors in the Quran - Section 1
 
But first a statement by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza.
 
Are these any better? Look, my whole point of this is that I am tired of hearing how EVERY OTHER religious book out there is "wrong and has lies but the Quran is perfect" I see that no one stepped up to defend some of the other things that I posted.....like this (these aren't errors, I'll get back to those in a minute):
 
1. "Do not let non-Muslims enter mosques. They will go to hell." ( Repentance: 17 )
 
2. "O ye who believe! The non-Muslims are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship." (Repentance: 2)
 
3. "O ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers .... and let them find harshness in you." (Repentance: 123)
 
4. "Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute." (Repentance: 29)
 
5. "O believers, do not treat your fathers and brothers as your friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes them for friends, they are evil-doers." (Repentance: 20)
 
6. "Certainly, God is an enemy to the unbelievers." ( The Cow: 90 )
 
7. "God has cursed the unbelievers, and prepared for them a blazing hell." ( The Confederates 60 )
 
8. "Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends.... whoso does that belongs not to God." (The House of Imram: 60)
 
9. "O believers, do not make friends with the Jews and Christians; ..whoso of you makes them his friend is one of them." (The Table: 55)
 
10. "The believers indeed are brothers." ( Apa rtments: 10 )
 
11. "Moslems are hard against the unbelievers, merciful to one another." (Victory: 25)
 
[[Note, exact quotes from 3 Qurans are being added to writings of Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza, to assist all in understanding his research product]]
 
What are some of those about? You aren't a good muslim if you are friends with a christian? If that is the case, how am I suppose to trust what someone is saying to me if I don't believe in their religion? It's kind of hard to "follow" something when it's telling me to "murder those of the disbelivers"
 
Oh well, like I said at the beginning of this......are these any better? I know a couple of them are the same but it's from a different place.
 
Error in the Quran
 
This article was written in answer to a statement that the bible contains error whereas the Quran, the muslim holy book, does not.
 
It highlights ten of the more difficult to explain contradictions within the Quran and will hopefully help get some of our muslim friends thinking, if you are a muslim I invite you to explain these contradictions and assure you that your refutations will be made public if this is what you require.
 
Please note however that I will not accept simple statements such as "you are wrong" as fact, answers must be supported by either convincing evidence or at least by a logical argument.
 
1) The Samaritan that never was:
Surah 20:85-87 and Sura 20:95-97 state that the calf worshipped by the Israelites was made by a Samaritan but neither the country of Samaria (where Samaritans come from) nor the term Samaritan existed during this time (the time of the Exodus) and so it is historical fact that Moses could NOT have used the term or had any dealings with a Samaritan.
 
Sura 20:85-87,
 
020.085
YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "We have tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri has led them astray."
PICKTHAL: He said: Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and As-Samiri hath misled them.
SHAKIR: He said: So surely We have tried your people after you, and the Samiri has led them astray.
 
020.086
YUSUFALI: So Moses returned to his people in a state of indignation and sorrow. He said: "O my people! did not your Lord make a handsome promise to you? Did then the promise seem to you long (in coming)? Or did ye desire that Wrath should descend from your Lord on you, and so ye broke your promise to me?"
PICKTHAL: Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me?
SHAKIR: So Musa returned to his people wrathful, sorrowing. Said he: O my people! did not your Lord promise you a goodly promise: did then the time seem long to you, or did you wish that displeasure from your Lord should be due to you, so that you broke (your) promise to me?
 
020.087
YUSUFALI: They said: "We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power: but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the Samiri suggested.
PICKTHAL: They said: We broke not tryst with thee of our own will, but we were laden with burdens of ornaments of the folk, then cast them (in the fire), for thus As-Samiri proposed.
SHAKIR: They said: We did not break (our) promise to you of our own accord, but we were made to bear the burdens of the ornaments of the people, then we made a casting of them, and thus did the Samiri suggest.
 
Sura 20:95-97,
 
020.095
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri?"
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: And what hast thou to say, O Samiri?
SHAKIR: He said: What was then your object, O Samiri?
 
020.096
YUSUFALI: He replied: "I saw what they saw not: so I took a handful (of dust) from the footprint of the Messenger, and threw it (into the calf): thus did my soul suggest to me."
PICKTHAL: He said: I perceived what they perceive not, so I seized a handful from the footsteps of the messenger, and then threw it in. Thus my soul commended to me.
SHAKIR: He said: I saw (Jibreel) what they did not see, so I took a handful (of the dust) from the footsteps of the messenger, then I threw it in the casting; thus did my soul commend to me
 
020.097
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, 'touch me not'; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast in the sea!"
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: Then go! and lo! in this life it is for thee to say: Touch me not! and lo! there is for thee a tryst thou canst not break. Now look upon thy god of which thou hast remained a votary. Verily we will burn it and will scatter its dust over the sea.
SHAKIR: He said: Begone then, surely for you it will be in this life to say, Touch (me) not; and surely there is a threat for you, which shall not be made to fail to you, and look at your god to whose worship you kept (so long); we will certainly burn it, then we will certainly scatter it a (wide) scattering in the sea.
 
The term was not used by anyone until around 722 BC, hundreds of years after the exodus that the "error free" Quran describes in this sura.
 
History proves without question that the term and the country did NOT exist until HUNDREDS OF YEARS LATER.
 
Would a perfect god make this blatant historical error?
 
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Hi Everyone,
 
Part Nine of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Additional Contradictions in the Quran by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
More Errors in the Quran - Section 2
 
[[Note, exact quotes from 3 Qurans are being added to writings of Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza, to assist all in understanding his research product]]
 
2) The miraculous journey:
Sura 17:1 of the quran reads....
"Glory to Allah Who did take his servant for a journey by night.
From the sacred mosque to THE FARTHEST MOSQUE".
 
Sura 17:1,
 
YUSUFALI: Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).
 
PICKTHAL: Glorified be He Who carried His servant by night from the Inviolable Place of Worship to the Far distant place of worship the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, that We might show him of Our tokens! Lo! He, only He, is the Hearer, the Seer.
 
SHAKIR: Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
 
 
The furthest mosque (arabic name of which is Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a) didn`t exist until AFTER Muhammed died, Muhammed COULD NOT HAVE VISITED IT!
 
Of course if this was added AFTER his death then it would have been easy to make such a mistake, but muslims are adamant the quran has not changed....
 
This verse is said to have been revealed around 622 AD but then the place the mosque, mentioned by name (so no doubting which mosque is meant), is at did not exist and indeed the place it now sits was in CHRISTIAN hands then and not muslim.
 
And no temple existed there either.
 
Muslims have attempted to say that the name is incorrect, that the name in the Quran ("the farthest mosque") must simply be another mosque with that name or that it refers to the temple (which of course we know didn`t exist then either) - anything they can rather than admitting that the quran got it wrong.
 
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Hi Everyone,
 
Part Ten of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Additional Contradictions in the Quran by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
More Errors in the Quran - Section 3
 
[[Note, exact quotes from 3 Qurans are being added to writings of Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza, to assist all in understanding his research product]]
 
3) Two of everything:
Sura 51:49 of the quran tells us that....
 
"of everything we have created PAIRS that ye may receive instruction"
 
Sura 51:49,
 
YUSUFALI: And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
 
PICKTHAL: And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.
 
SHAKIR: And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful.
 
 
The quran claims to be from allah and here allah tells us that everything was made in pairs (incidentally muslims say they worship just one god, allah, yet here the quran says "WE have created" and not "I have created"?).
 
Guess allah didn`t make everything after all then, after all there is gravity which keeps us down - but no anti-gravity which pulls us up.
 
Bdelloid Rotifers (I`m not a scientist so hope I`ve spelled this right are a class of life that have apparently, according to the experts, been pair-less for millions of years.
 
I will not detail whole lists of things here that are not made in pairs such as certain types of plant, bacterium, etc etera as I`m sure most will know of at least one example and even one disproves the qurans claim.
 
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Hi Everyone,
 
Part Eleven of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Additional Contradictions in the Quran by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
More Errors in the Quran - Section 4
 
[[Note, exact quotes from 3 Qurans are being added to writings of Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza, to assist all in understanding his research product]]
 
4) Alexander the great - the muslim BEFORE Muhammed:
 
We all know of the infamous Alexander the great, he happened to think he was divine and had statues erected to himself among his historical achievements.
 
But did you know he was a muslim?
 
Surah 18 tells us of Zul-Quarnain, who muslims have always claimed is Alexander the great.
 
Sura 18:83,
 
YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."
 
PICKTHAL: They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him.
 
SHAKIR: And they ask you about Zulqarnain. Say: I will recite to you an account of him.
 
And,
 
Sura 18.86,
 
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
 
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
 
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
 
And,
 
Sura 18.94,
 
YUSUFALI: They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?
 
PICKTHAL: They said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Lo! Gog and Magog are spoiling the land. So may we pay thee tribute on condition that thou set a barrier between us and them?
 
SHAKIR: They said: O Zulqarnain! surely Gog and Magog make mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute on condition that you should raise a barrier between us and them
 
 
According to muslims he was a great muslim, a follower of one god and apparently lived to old age.
 
Alexander the great, however, died at 33 years old after having put up statues to lots of different gods and even thought he himself was a god.
 
Clearly he was not a muslim, despite their claims, and he did not live to old age.
 
Another error?
 
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Hi Everyone,
 
Part Twelve of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Additional Contradictions in the Quran by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
More Errors in the Quran - Section 5
 
[[Note, exact quotes from 3 Qurans are being added to writings of Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza, to assist all in understanding his research product]]
 
5) The amazing tale of pharoah:
We all know of the infamous pharoah and how he perished chasing after the Israelites.
 
But did you know that allah killed him and also let him live?
 
Surah 10:92 tells us that allah saved pharoah and let him live but the same story elsewhere in the quran (Suras 28:40, 17:103 and 43:55) say that actually pharoah drowned!
 
Sura 10:92,
 
YUSUFALI: "This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
 
PICKTHAL: But this day We save thee in thy body that thou mayst be a portent for those after thee. Lo! most of mankind are heedless of Our portents.
 
SHAKIR: But We will this day deliver you with your body that you may be a sign to those after you, and most surely the majority of the people are heedless to Our
 
Compare with,
 
Sura 28:40,
 
YUSUFALI: So We seized him and his hosts, and We flung them into the sea: Now behold what was the end of those who did wrong!
 
PICKTHAL: Therefor We seized him and his hosts, and abandoned them unto the sea. Behold the nature of the consequence for evil-doers!
 
SHAKIR: So We caught hold of him and his hosts, then We cast them into the sea, and see how was the end of the unjust.
 
And,
 
Sura 17:103,
 
YUSUFALI: So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him.
 
PICKTHAL: And he wished to scare them from the land, but We drowned him and those with him, all together.
 
SHAKIR: So he desired to destroy them out of the earth, but We drowned him and those with him all together;
 
And,
 
Sura 43:55,
 
YUSUFALI: When at length they provoked Us, We exacted retribution from them, and We drowned them all.
 
PICKTHAL: So, when they angered Us, We punished them and drowned them every one.
 
SHAKIR: Then when they displeased Us, We inflicted a retribution on them, so We drowned them all together,
 
 
Now if there is NO ERROR in the quran then how can pharoah have died in one Sura yet not died in the others?
 
Still no contradiction?
 
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Hi Everyone,
 
Part Thirteen of Series Apparent Bible Contradictions vs. Real Contradictions in the Quran:
 
Additional Contradictions in the Quran by Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza
 
And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation" (Quran 25:33).
 
More Errors in the Quran - Section 6
 
[[Note, exact quotes from 3 Qurans are being added to writings of Quranic scholar, Syed Kamran Mirza, to assist all in understanding his research product]]
 
6) Angels cannot disobey allah:
Sura 16:49-50 says of the angels that "...They ALL fear their Lord, high above them, and they do ALL THEY ARE COMMANDED."
 
Suras 16:49-50,
 
16.49
YUSUFALI: And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels: for none are arrogant (before their Lord).
 
PICKTHAL: And unto Allah maketh prostration whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth of living creatures, and the angels (also) and they are not proud.
 
SHAKIR: And whatever creature that is in the heavens and that is in the earth makes obeisance to Allah (only), and the angels (too) and they do not show pride.
 
16.50
YUSUFALI: They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded.
 
PICKTHAL: They fear their Lord above them, and do what they are bidden.
 
SHAKIR: They fear their Lord above them and do what they are commanded.
 
Here we are told angels NEVER disobey allah.
 
But, not suprisingly, the quran then says in Sura 2:34 when talking of the angels being told to bow down to Adam that
 
"And behold, we said to the angels: `bow down to Adam`. And they bowed down, EXCEPT IBLIS. HE REFUSED AND WAS HAUGHTY".
 
Sura 2:34,
 
YUSUFALI: He said: "O Adam! Tell them their names." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
 
PICKTHAL: He said: O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth? And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide.
 
SHAKIR: He said: O Adam! inform them of their names. Then when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not say to you that I surely know what is ghaib in the heavens and the earth and (that) I know what you manifest and what you hide?
 
 
So according to the quran ALL angels do as commanded, but not always
 
UPDATE: In fairness to Muslims I have offered to show any problems found with the articles on Islam. One has written and been discussing with me this error in particular about angels disobeying allah.
 
As he rightly points out there is another Sura (Surah 18:50) which says the same thing but also says Iblis was a Jinn. Surah 2:34 however says ALL the angels bowed EXCEPT Iblis.
 
Sura 18:50,
 
YUSUFALI: Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
 
PICKTHAL: And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers.
 
SHAKIR: And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance but Iblis (did it not). He was of the jinn, so he transgressed the commandment of his Lord. What! would you then take him and his offspring for friends rather than Me, and they are your enemies? Evil is (this) change for the unjust.
 
If the Quran is indeed error free this passage makes no sense as for all angels to bow except Iblis implies he too is an angel, if not then the command did not apply to him and so the Quran is wrong to say all angels except Iblis bowed.
 
The given answer to this, and one I cannot argue is wrong as I do not speak Arabic, is that the translations are in error and that the original Arabic language Quran reads in such a way that there is no confusion.
 
While I can`t confirm this without reading Arabic I felt I should add this possible explanation in the interests of fairness as I`m not here to mislead but to be honest. Basically the argument for explaining this difference is that the English translations are incorrect and that the Arabic version is the only one not.
 
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[2]       God's Word The Bible Proven Un-Changeable by the Quran:
 
Muhammad (pbuh) in reciting The Quran says that it (the Quran) is the Word of God, it cannot be wrong it cannot be changed.
 
"None can change His words:" (sura 6: 115).
 
Sura 6:115 in three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
 
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
 
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
 
"no change can there be in the words of Allah." (sura 10: 64)
 
If we accept that this is true, then we must also accept that the following statement is true.
 
Sura 10:64 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: Say: "Of your 'partners', can any originate creation and repeat it?" Say: "It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?"
 
PICKTHAL: Say: Is there of your partners (whom ye ascribe unto Allah) one that produceth Creation and then reproduceth it? Say: Allah produceth Creation, then reproduceth it. How then, are ye misled!
 
SHAKIR: Say: Is there any one among your associates who can bring into existence the creation in the first instance, then reproduce it? Say: Allah brings the creation into existence, then He reproduces it; how are you then turned away?
 
But consider:
 
(Sura 4: 163)
"We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms,"
 
Sura 4:163 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
 
PICKTHAL: Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;
 
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood
 
This passage informs us that God sent;
 
the Quran through Muhammad,
and that this same God also sent at the very least the following writtings of the Bible;
 
the Torah through Moses,
 
the Gospel through Jesus,
 
the Psalms through David,
 
the book of Job,
 
the book of Jonah.
 
If we accept this as true because it is God's Word and His word cannot be "changed" by Him (Sura 6: 115, and 10: 65) then we must also accept that the following is true.
 
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
 
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
 
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
 
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
 
Conclusion One:
 
The Quran is the Word of God, it was spoken by Muhammad, but the words were given to him by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, , therefore the Quran is the Word of God.
 
These words cannot be changed because the time of all revelation has now ceased with the death of Muhammad, and as Muhammad is the Last Prophet the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is,  will send, there can never be any change to the Quran.
 
[b]Now here is the problem that I find in this, as I see it:
 
If All of the Above is true, then it is also true that;
 
the Torah through Moses,
 
the Gospel through Jesus,
 
the Psalms through David,
 
the book of Job,
 
the book of Jonah.
 
are also the Word of God.
 
Sura 4: 163 says of Muhammad that
 
"We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to ..."
 
Sura 4:163 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
 
PICKTHAL: Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;
 
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood
 
This tells us that the inspiration that Muhammad recieved was the same as that which God had previously given to Moses, Jesus (Yeshua), David, Job, Jonah and others.
 
Therefore as this is the same inspiration, these prophets also received the Word of God. How then can there be any error in anything that they received?
 
Surely there cannot be any corruption, change or mistakes because the Quran also tells us;
 
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
 
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
 
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
 
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
 
"None can change His words:" (sura 6: 115).
 
Sura 6:115 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
 
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
 
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
 
"no change can there be in the words of Allah." (sura 10: 64)
 
Sura 10:64 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.
 
PICKTHAL: Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.
 
SHAKIR: They shall have good news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.
 
So then is the Word of God as given to Moses any different,
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
 
Sura 2:87 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
 
PICKTHAL: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
 
SHAKIR: And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.
 
If God gave Moses the Torah and God's word cannot be changed, then the charge of corruption of the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, must be wrong because,
 
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
 
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
 
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
 
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
 
Conclusion Two:
 
The Quran says that God gave Moses the Book, it is God's word, it is not the word of Moses, it is the Word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is,
 
The Quran also states that no person is able to change any Word or Decree of God..
 
Therefore the Torah must be and remain extant, it must be uncorrupted, unchanged.
 
The same must also be true of the other writings that the Quran mentions, for the inspiration is the same, the manner of communication is the same (Books).
 
Therefore these also must be the Word of God, about which the Quran says,
 
"there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah." (sura 6: 34)
 
Sura 6:34 three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.
 
PICKTHAL: Messengers indeed have been denied before thee, and they were patient under the denial and the persecution till Our succour reached them. There is none to alter the decisions of Allah. Already there hath reached thee (somewhat) of the tidings of the messengers (We sent before).
 
SHAKIR: And certainly messengers before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
 
"None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (Sura 6:115).
 
Sura 6:115 in three different versions of the Bible knockoff, the Quran:
 
YUSUFALI: The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
 
PICKTHAL: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
 
SHAKIR: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
 
Conclusion Three:
 
If any one holds the Quran to be 100% the infallible Word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, and they believe that Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah,"  is YHWH, then there is no corruption within the mentioned biblical books.
 
There can be no corruption or alteration, for the Quran states that God gave these prophets the books, the Quran states that no one can change God's Word.
 
Therefore to say that there is corruption in the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, to say that any of these have been changed is to say that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, has lied, and that the Quran is wrong when it sates that God gave these prophets Books which are the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, His word and cannot be changed.
 
But that is blasphemy in Muslim circles, that is slander against Muhammad, the Quran and God!!
 
The Truth therefore must be,
 
That the error is in the claim of corruption and alteration of Old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah's" word? Which has been shown before is also the conclusion of some Muslim scholars,
 
Muhammad 'Abduh (Egypt) - the charge of corruption:
... makes no sense at all. It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those of their brothers, let us say in Syria or Europe, would have been obvious.
 
Mawlawi Muhammad Sa'id (Pakistan):
Some Muslims imagine that the Injil is corrupted. But... not even one among all the verses of the Quran mentions that the Injil or Tawrat is corrupted... it is written that the Jews -... not the Christians... alter the meaning of the passages from the Tawrat while they are explaining them. At least the Christians are completely exonerated from this charge. Hence the Injil is not corrupted and the Tawrat is not corrupted...
 
Sayyid Ahmad Husayn Shawkat Mirthi:
The ordinary Muslim people...believe through hearsay...that the Injil is corrupted, even though they cannot indicate what passage was corrupted, when it was corrupted, and who corrupted it. Is there any religious community...whose lot is so miserable that they would shred their heavenly Book with their own hands...? To say that God has taken the Injil and the Tawrat into heaven and has abrogated them is to defame and slander God...
 
 
As this is the only possible logical conclusion that does not deny the Quran or Muhammad. Then this is the error.
 
Thus every Muslim must today begin reading and studying the Bible for the full knowledge and teaching of the Lord God Almighty. Just as they must also desist with the denial of the Quran and Muhammad, the Bible and all the prophets.[this work draws heavily on the work of Malcomite].
 
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COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]    Is Christmas A Bible Backed Celebration?
 
[1]       SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 438A]
 
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:   Exodus 19:5,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Almighty God (YHWH) requires us to keep His commandments in order to win His favor per Psalms 119:4, [AV] “Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.”  He will show mercy to all who do according to Psalms 25:10, [AV] “All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.”  Yes, in Biblical times He chose per Psalms 135.4, [AV] “For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.”  
 
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[2]       Is Christmas A Bible Backed Celebration?
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
Many think that Christmas is a Bible backed celebration and that we should celebrate the birth of Christ, but let's see what the Bible has to say.
 
FIRST, People believing this fail to show from the Bible that we should celebrate the birth of Jesus (Yeshua).   In fact, the word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly show only pagans ever celebrating birthdays as follows:
 
Genesis 40:20, "And it came to pass the third day-Pharaoh's birthday-that he made a feast to all his bondmen. And he lifted up the head of the chief of the cup-bearers, and the head of the chief of the bakers among his bondmen." (Authorized King James Bible; AV) .
 
Matthew 14:6, "But when Herod's birthday was celebrated, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod;" (AV)
 
Mark 6:21, "And a holiday being come, when Herod, on his birthday, made a supper to his grandees, and to the chiliarchs, and the chief men of Galilee;" (AV)
 
SECOND, History shows that what many call the Birthday of Christ is really the birthday of a pagan god.   As one historical source notes,
<<<"Even the date of Christmas, December 25, was borrowed from another religion. At the time Christmas was created in AD 320, Mithraism was very popular. The early Christian church had gotten tired of their futile efforts to stop people celebrating the solstice and the birthday of Mithras, the Persian sun god. Mithras' birthday was December 25. So the pope at the time decided to make Jesus' official birthday coincide with Mithras' birthday. No one knows what time of year Jesus was actually born but there is evidence to suggest that it was in midsummer."[source -  http://www.zenzibar.com/articles/christmas.asp ]>>>.
 
And as an encyclopedia says,
<<<"The Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, "the birthday of the unconquered sun." The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270-274); and Mithras, a soldiers' god of Persian origin.[10] Emperor Elagabalus (218-222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[11]
 
December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.[7] It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.[2] Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus.[12] "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born," Cyprian wrote.[2]
 
Yule
Main article: Yule
Pagan Scandinavia celebrated a winter solstice festival called Yule in honour of the Norse God Odin ("Jölföðr" - "Yule-father", and "Jölnir" - "Yule", are names of Odin), held in the late December to early January period. Several of the characteristic features of modern Christmas celebrations originate from the Yule festival, and indeed in several European countries, Yule is synonymous with Christmas.
Odin himself is in fact the likely origin of the Santa Claus myth. Oski, "Fulfiller of Desire," or "Granter of Wishes," an aspect of Odin that could well be associated with the Yule Elf, as Oskoreidi, Leader of the Wild Host of Norse tradition, was believed to give gold or other boons to those who were courteous or clever.[citation needed] This would appear to be the origin of the idea of Santa Claus delivering presents at Christmas time.
In some parts however, Thor rather than Odin appears to have been the focus of the Yule festival, and may also be a candidate for the origin of Santa. Some scholars believe that Yule logs were lit to honor Thor, the god of thunder, with the belief that each spark from the fire represented a new pig or calf that would be born during the coming year (inviting boons from Thor via the sparks going up the chimney may be the origin of the belief that Santa comes down the chimney to deliver his presents). Feasting would continue until the log burned out, which could take as many as twelve days.[13]
In pagan Germania (not to be confused with Germany), the equivalent holiday was the mid-winter night which was followed by 12 "wild nights", filled with eating, drinking and partying.[14] As Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, its pagan celebrations had a major influence on Christmas. Scandinavians still call Christmas Jul. In English, the Germanic word Yule is synonymous with Christmas,[15] a usage first recorded in 900." [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]>>>.
 
For more in-depth information, go to, [Internet URLS active on 01/10/2007]
 
[1] http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/pagan.htm
 
[2] http://www.zenzibar.com/articles/christmas.asp
 
[3] http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm
 
[4] http://paganwiccan.about.com/b/a/045829.htm
 
[5] http://pagan.meetup.com/408/boards/view/viewthread?thread=2462376
 
[6] http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
 
[7] http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
 
THIRD, The inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, clearly shows we should not participate in pagan worldly celebrations and activities.   Have you never read James 4:4, "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." (AV)?
 
Or,
 
1 John 5:19, "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." (AV)
 
Or,
 
Ephesians 2:2-3, "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." (AV)
 
Or,
 
James 1:27, "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (AV)
 
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COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]   Some Muslims Defend Disgusting Sex Practices
 
[1]   SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 440A]
 
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
 Matthew 24:21 - 22, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
And as Revelation 7:13 – 14, [AV] says of the ones coming out of this tribulation, “And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?  14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”  But, before this occurs Daniel 12:1 shows there will be, [AV] “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.”  
 
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[2]     Some Muslims Defend Disgusting Sex Practices
 
[b]INTRODUCTION:
 
Some Muslims seem to be in favor of disgusting sex practices such as oral and anal sex, sodomy, homosexuality, etc.   These same ones even try to twist the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, to support these disgusting practices.
 
ATTEMPTS AT SCRIPTURE TWISTING:
 
Her are some actual examples of their attempts to twist scripture,
 
Anal Sex in Accordance with God's Will
 
In fact, many Biblical passages allude to the act of anal sex between men and women. Lamentations 2:10 describes how "The virgins of Jerusalem have bowed their heads to the ground," indicating how a virginal maidens should position themselves to receive anal sex. Another suggestive scripture tells of a woman's pride in her "valley" (referring to her buttocks and the cleft between them) and entices her lover to ejaculate against her backside: "How boastful you are about the valleys! O backsliding daughter who trusts in her treasures, {saying,} ' Who will come against me?' (Jeremiah 49:4) And in the Song of Songs, the lover urges his mate to allow him to enter her from behind: "Draw me after you, let us make haste." (Song of Solomon, 1:4)
 
"Isn't anal sex dirty?"
 
The Bible says, "To the pure, all things are pure." (Titus 1:15) The Lord created your body, and no part of it is imperfect or unclean. God also created our bodies for pleasure, and anal sex is just one of the many ways, including standard sexual intercourse, that we can enjoy this pleasure and share it with a partner.
 
Disgusting isn't it?
 
THE BIBLE' CORRECT TAKE ON DISGUSTING PRACTICES:
 
First, a definition of terms to assist the understanding of all:
 
Now let's look at the dictionary/encyclopedia definition of Sodomy and Homosexual
 
SODOMY:
 
[1] The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
 
sodomy
 
Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.
 
[2] Glossary of Unusual Sexual Practices
 
Sodomy: oral or anal intercourse involving penetration with male, female, or animal
[source - The Encyclopedia of Unusual Sex Practices]
 
HOMOSEXUAL:
 
[3] The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
 
Homosexual
 
Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
Now let's look at Romans 1:27 and 28 and compare what it says to the definition for Sodomy and Homosexuality given by dictionaries and encyclopedias.
 
THE BIBLE'S TAKE ON THE MATTER:
 
Romans 1:27-28, "Their women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural[[A clear showing of Sodomy, note, the word unnatural contrasted to natural intercourse]], and their men in turn, giving up natural relations with women, burn with lust for one another; males behave indecently with males,[[A clear showing of Homosexuality, men burning in lust for other males]] and a paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion. 28 Thus, because they have not seen fit to acknowledge God, he has given them up to their own depraved reason. This leads them to break all rules of conduct." (The New English Bible; NEB).
 
Colossians 3:5, "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV)
 
1 Corinthians 6:18-19, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.  19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (AV) .
 
Galatians 5:19-20, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,  20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies," (AV).
 
Hebrews 13:4, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,  20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies," (AV).
 
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,  10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (AV).
 
WHAT BIBLE SCHOLARS SAY- IN BRIEF:
 
And here is what world renown Bible scholar Barnes had to say on the matter on Romans 1:27-28:
 
<<<"Verse 27. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
 
Ver. 27. And likewise the men, etc. The sin which is here specified is that which was the shameful sin of Sodom, and which from that has been called sodomy. It would scarcely be credible that man had been guilty of a crime so base and so degrading, unless there was ample and full testimony to it. Perhaps there is no sin which so deeply shows the depravity of man as this; none which would so much induce one "to hang his head, and blush to think himself a man." And yet the evidence that the apostle did not bring a railing accusation against the heathen world, that he did not advance a charge which was unfounded, is too painfully clear. It has been indeed a matter of controversy whether paederasty, or the love of boys, among the ancients, was not a pure and harmless love, but the evidence is against it. See this discussed in Dr. Leland's "Advantage and Necessity of Revelation," vol. i. 49-56. The crime with which the apostle charges the Gentiles here was by no means confined to the lower classes of the people. It doubtless pervaded all classes, and we have distinct specifications of its existence in a great number of cases. Even Virgil speaks of the attachment of Corydon to Alexis, without seeming to feel the necessity of a blush for it. Maximus Tyrius (Diss. 10) says, that in the time of Socrates this vice was common among the Greeks; and is at pains to vindicate Socrates from it as almost a solitary exception. Cicero (Tuscul. Ques. iv. 84) says, that "Dicearchus had accused Plato of it, and probably not unjustly." He also says, (Tuscul. Q. iv. 33,) that the practice was common among the Greeks, and that their poets and great men, and even their learned men and philosophers, not only practised, but gloried in it. And he adds, that it was the custom, not of particular cities only, but of Greece in general. (Tuscul. Ques. v. 20.) Xenophon says, that "the unnatural love of boys is so common, that in many places it is established by the public laws." He particularly alludes to Sparta. (See Leland's Advantage, etc., i. 56.) Plato says that the Cretians practised this crime, and justified themselves by the example of Jupiter and Ganymede. (Book of Laws, i.) And Aristotle says, that among the Cretians there was a law encouraging that sort of unnatural love. (Arist. Politic. b. ii. ch. 10.) Plutarch says, that this was practised at Thebes, and at Ellis. He further says, that Solon, the great lawgiver of Athens, "was not proof against beautiful boys, and had not courage to resist the force of love." (Life of Solon.) Diogenes Laertins says that this vice was practised by the stoic Zeno. Among the Romans, to whom Paul was writing, this vice was no less common. Cicero introduces, without any mark of disapprobation, Cotta, a man of the first rank and genius, freely and familiarly owning to other Romans of the same quality, that this worse than beastly vice was practised by himself, and quoting the authority of ancient philosophers in vindication of it. (De Natura Decrum, b. i. eh. 28.) It appears from what Seneca says, (epis. 95,) that in his time it was practised openly at Rome, and without shame. He speaks of flocks and troops of boys, distinguished by their colours and nations; and says that great care was taken to train them up for this detestable employment. Those who may wish to see a further account of the morality in the pagan world may find it detailed in Tholick's "Nature and Moral Influence of Heathenism," in the Biblical Repository, vol. ii., and in Leland's Advantage and Necessity of the Christian Revelation. There is not the least evidence that this abominable vice was confined to Greece and Rome. If so common there-if it had the sanction even of their philosophers-it may be presumed that it was practised elsewhere, and that the sin against nature was a common crime throughout the heathen world. Navaratte, in his account of the empire of China, (book ii. ch. 6,) says that it is extremely common among the Chinese. And there is every reason to believe that, both in the old world and the new, this abominable crime is still practised. If such was the state of the pagan world, then surely the argument of the apostle is well sustained, that there was need of some other plan of salvation than was taught by the light of nature.
 
That which is unseemly. That which is shameful, or disgraceful.
 
And receiving in themselves, etc. The meaning of this doubtless is, that the effect of such base and unnatural passions was to enfeeble the body, to produce premature old age, disease, decay, and an early death. That this is the effect of the indulgence of licentious passions, is amply proved by the history of man. The despots who practise polygamy, and keep harems in the east, are commonly superannuated at forty years of age; and it is well known, even in Christian countries, that the effect of licentious indulgence is to break down and destroy the constitution. How much more might this be expected to follow the practice of the vice specified in the verse under examination! God has marked the indulgence of licentious passions with his frown. Since the time of the Romans and the Greeks, as if there had not been sufficient restraints before, he has originated a new disease, which is one of the most loathsome and distressing which has ever afflicted man, and which has swept off millions of victims. But the effect on the body was not all. It tended to debase the mind; to sink man below the level of the brute; to destroy the sensibility; and to '' sear the conscience as with a hot iron." The last remnant of reason and conscience, it would seem, must be extinguished in those who would indulge in this unnatural and degrading vice. See Suetonius' Life of Nero, 28. [source - Barnes New Testament Notes] >>>.
 
ATTEMPTED JUSTIFICATION OF DISGUSTING PRACTICES BY MUSLIMS:
 
Now let's look at how some Muslims try to justify their practice of disgusting oral and anal sex by sidestepping and trying to paint others in a bad light and my reply to such obfuscation and deceit.
 
<<<" In Moslem Countries, although the Islamic Shari'ah is not enforced, We do
NOT have Single Moms + We do NOT have Live-in Couples (living without
wedlock) + We do NOT have Same Sex Marriages.">>>.
 
And, My reply to their sidestepping and deceitful obfuscation,
 
<<<" So, you execute them as they did to a Saudi Arabian Princess that got pregnant from her boy friend some years ago. Now is that supposed to be better or is that just a Sunni act?
 
Also, is killing victims of rape, i.e., murder, better than the wrongs of apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians?   Some Muslims even kill their daughters for getting raped or want them dead just because they made the mistake of marrying an abusive husband as revealed by Tracy Wilkinson, Times Staff Writer, on January 9, 2007, in a report,
<<<"DIYARBAKIR, TURKEY - Desperately unhappy, 21-year-old Sahe Fidan left the husband she despised and sought refuge in her parents' home. They refused to take her in. A married woman can leave her husband only in a coffin, they told her.  Fidan returned to the husband, and she left him in a coffin. A few weeks ago, she was found hanged in the bathroom, her infant son strapped to her back with a sheet....
 
The killing of women and girls by male relatives who think the females have brought shame to the family's honor is an atrocity that has plagued Turkey and other Islamic countries for generations. Thousands of women have died, been attacked or compelled to commit suicide in so-called honor killings...
 
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the head of a conservative, Islamist-rooted party, went before a gathering of the Organization of the Islamic Conference in November to argue for better treatment of women and to condemn honor killings as a scourge that must be eradicated from Islamic societies.[[Openly admitted that it exist.]]...
 
In a United Nations poll conducted last year, 17% of Turkish men [[Muslims.]]said they approved of honor killing. Many more approved of lesser punishments, one of the most common being the slicing off of a woman's nose...
 
"This is a part of the country where it is not accepted that women work or travel, where they are not valued as individuals," said Canan Hancer Basturk, deputy governor of Diyarbakir." [[So much for Islam's claim of equal rights and treatment for women.]]...
 
One resident was a tall, fair 16-year-old who said her father had ordered her to kill herself.
 
He had arranged for her marriage to a man she wanted nothing to do with, and she went along at first, long enough to become pregnant. Then she left her husband, hoping to join her true love. But he had married someone else. She returned to her parents' home...
 
Among the hundreds of honor killings in Turkey, it is impossible to quantify the forced suicides. A special U.N. rapporteur, Yakin Erturk, was dispatched to the country's south last year to investigate a rash of suicides. She concluded that some probably had been "instigated" and cited a host of contributing factors: forced and early marriages, denial of reproductive rights, poverty, migration and displacement, among others.
 
Victims say they've been ordered by relatives to kill themselves, locked in rooms with a gun or rope, watched over while they were expected to slit their wrists. The infraction can be as slight as a desire to work or the wearing of jeans, the sentence often decided in a family council....">>>.
 
This definitely is not in keeping with what Jesus (Yeshua) said at Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.  38  This is the first and great commandment.  39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.  40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
 
CONCLUSION:
 
With respect to the deceitful practice of trying to trist scriptures of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible, to justify such disgusting practices, it makes you pity their their poor wives and girl friends.
 
What is being done in many Muslim lands is just unconscionable, yet was admitted to by some of the highest officials in Turkey as previously shown.
 
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