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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Matthias An Alleged Replacement For Judas:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 638A]
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 1 Corinthians 13:4 – 7, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, love for Almighty God (YHWH) motivates us to live and endure in our love for him per 1 Peter 4:10 – 12, [AV] “But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.”
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[2] Matthias An Alleged Replacement For Judas:
INTRODUCTION:
Some make wild claims for the maybe Apostle Matthias such as he was a successor to the Apostle Peter which is prima facia false as he was a contemporary of the Apostle Peter. In fact he is mentioned only two places in the entire Bible and both of these were in the Book of Acts written by the Apostle Paul. Let's look at these two in context.
Acts 1:20-26,
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, His office let another take.
21 Of the men therefore that have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us,
22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show of these two the one whom thou hast chosen,
25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave lots for them; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. (American Standard Version; ASV).
WHAT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA SAYS ON MATTHIAS:
<<<"In the New Testament Acts of the Apostles, the author of the Gospel of Luke records that Matthias was the Apostle chosen by the remaining eleven apostles to replace Judas Iscariot, following Judas's betrayal of Jesus and his suicide (Acts 1:21-26).
Though there is no mention of a Matthias among the lists of disciples in the three synoptic gospels. According to Acts 1, in the days following the Ascension of Jesus, Peter proposed to the assembled disciples, who numbered about one hundred and twenty, that they choose one to fill the place of the traitor Judas in the apostolate:
23.So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24.Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25.to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26.Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
Eduard Zeller declared this narrative inconsistent with the history of the Apostles' movements, in that the Apostles were in Galilee after the Crucifixion. The Acts of the Apostles clearly states (i.12) that they returned to Jerusalem.
No further information about Matthias is to be found in the canonical New Testament. Even his name is variable: the Syriac version of Eusebius calls him throughout not Matthias but "Tolmai", i.e. Bartholomew, without confusing him with the Bartholomew who was originally one of the twelve Apostles; Clement of Alexandria says some identified him with Zacchaeus; the Clementine Recognitions identify him with Barnabas; Hilgenfeld thinks he is the same as Nathanael in the Gospel of John.
According to Nicephorus (Historia eccl., 2, 40), Matthias first preached the Gospel in Judea, then in Ethiopia (made out to be a synonym for the geographically quite separate Colchis, now Caucasian Georgia) and was crucified in Colchis. A marker placed in the ruins of the Roman fortress at Gonio (Apsaros) in the modern Georgian region of Adjara claims that Matthias is buried at that site.
The Synopsis of Dorotheus contains this tradition:
Matthias in interiore Æthiopia, ubi Hyssus maris portus et Phasis fluvius est, hominibus barbaris et carnivoris praedicavit Evangelium. Mortuus est autem in Sebastopoli, ibique prope templum Solis sepultus. ("Matthias preached the Gospel to barbarians and meat-eaters in the interior of Ethiopia, where the sea harbor of Hyssus is, at the mouth of the river Phasis. He died at Sebastopolis, and was buried there, near the Temple of the Sun.")
An extant Coptic Acts of Andrew and Matthias, places his activity similarly in "the city of the cannibals" in Ethiopia.
Alternately, another tradition maintains that Matthias was stoned at Jerusalem by the Jews, and then beheaded (cf. Tillemont, Mémoires pour servir à l'histoire ecclesiastique des six premiers siècles, I, 406-7).
According to Hippolytus of Rome, Matthias died of old age in Jerusalem.
Clement of Alexandria observed (Stromateis vi.13.):
Not that they became apostles through being chosen for some distinguished peculiarity of nature, since also Judas was chosen along with them. But they were capable of becoming apostles on being chosen by Him who foresees even ultimate issues. Matthias, accordingly, who was not chosen along with them, on showing himself worthy of becoming an apostle, is substituted for Judas. [source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
So as we can see, he was simply just a chosen replacement for the traitor Judas and nothing more.
UNDERSTANDING FROM THE BIBLE ON MITTHIAS:
Let's look at the Bible and see what it says,
Acts 1:23-26,
And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show of these two the one whom thou hast chosen,
25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave lots for them; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. (ASV).
As we can see, two canidates, Joseph called Barsabbas and Matthias were put forth as candidates per Acts 1:23; and lots were thrown and they fell to Matthias as the replacement for Judas per Acts 1:26.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Muslim Abuse of Genuine Christians:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 639A]
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. James 1:4, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, we must have patience and endurance as highlighted by Romans 5:3 – 5, [AV] “And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.” And just as James 1:12, [AV] says, “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.”
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[2] Muslim Abuse of Genuine Christians: [[BY MY HUSBAND]]
Members of Islam tell lies about genuine followers of Christ and accuse Christ ministry and gospel of being one of hate - ALL OUTRIGHT LIES. Something should be done about this - pronto:
Read the facts and take action:
ONE LYING POSTER SAID, about my good genuine Christian wife and myself when I went to her defense - YES TERRIBLE:
"No one is lying about you Iris."
When the truth is this very poster has been lying about my good wife:
[1] She called her a whore, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[2] She called her a slut, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[3] She called her a twit, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[4] She called her an apostate, AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
[5] She said Almighty God (YHWH) = Allah, AN OUTRIGHT LIE. For details see
[0] Iris89 Tells The Factual Truth - Islam Does Not Like: at,
[6] She said the following "Bible knockoff the Qur'an" is an insult, AN OUTRIGHT LIE as it is the truth,
see the proof,
[0] Book Review Shows Quran A Knockoff of The Bible at,
[[her lie told at, ]
[7] She said "totally away from topic", AN OUTRIGHT LIE, see her comment below,
"This article is about a priest who killed a nun while trying to remove a demon from her.
If it's not your brand of christianity then don't bother about it
It has nothing to do with any holy book or any of the other nonsense you posted that is totally away from the topic" whereas my wife's post was a direct counter to same and dealt with imam's plots for murder showing Islam's religious leaders guilty of same thing as the priest. Now that is not off topic.
[8] She said my wife posted porn, AN OUTRIGHT LIE. First she does not even know the meaning of porn, let's look at what a dictionary and an encyclopedia said,
"PORN, noun: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire [source - One Look Dictionary, ]"
"Pornography, sometimes shortened to porn or porno, is, in its broadest state, the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief. It is similar to erotica, which is the use of sexually-arousing imagery used mainly for artistic purpose. Over the past few decades, an immense industry for the production and consumption of pornography has grown, due to emergence of the VCR, the DVD, and the Internet, as well as the emergence of more tolerant social attitudes.
In general, "erotica" refers to portrayals of sexually arousing material that hold or aspire to artistic or historical merit, whereas "pornography" often connotes the prurient depiction of sexual acts, with little or no artistic value. The line between "erotica" and the term "pornography" (which is frequently considered a pejorative term) is often highly subjective. In practice, pornography can be defined merely as erotica that certain people perceive as "obscene." The definition of what one considers obscene can differ between persons, cultures and eras. This leaves legal actions by those who oppose pornography open to wide interpretation. It also provides lucrative employment for armies of lawyers, on several "sides."
Pornography may use any of a variety of media - printed literature, photos, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, or video game. However, when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction or reproduction of the act, rather than the act itself.[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, ]"
Let's look at what was said, party 1, my good wife, party 2 the liar.
"Party 1 "One women that does not know how to tell the truth and who calls others whores, sluts, etc. said,"
Party 2 "IF your wife apologized for posting porn then perhaps I would apologize for calling her a whore. IF not then only a whore would post porn on a religious board so I stand by my opinion.
[source - ]"
"by party 2, I am not the one lying, why don't you show us where membership requirement for the porn site is to be muslim if you are truthrul? Your whore of a wife (if you're really her husband and not her which I doubt) posted a website which has a naked man at the bottom of the page as well as links to other porn material. Perhaps you good christians don't consider nude images as porn but most conservative, religious people do. "
[source - ]
Now what was posted was from one of their Muslim sites run by Muslim homosexuals who are recognized by BBC, Newsweek, The Middle East Times, etc. not as a porn site but a Muslim homosexual site, contact BBC on GayEgypt org. and they will verify this fact. Can you imagine Muslims charging you with mention of a Muslim site, what an unjust double standard as Muslims are responsible for the site, not any type of Christian. The fact is, my wife is not promoting any pornsight, but simply showing that Muslims are operating a major homosexual site.
"Party 2, even had the nerve to say, 'yOU have failed to deal with why they are doing this since the Qur'an is against homosexuality - you need to explain.'" Now I ask who but Muslims need to explain Muslim actions? This is just ridiculas.
"Party 1, 'you are quick to call attention to some apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian church approving of child sex abuse of which I never questioned the validity as I am a realist, but you have tried to dodge and deny the fact that Muslims are operating a major honosexual site - that is dishonest.'"
[9] She said my wife was rebellious, AN OUTRIGHT LIE. Who better than a women's husband should know the truth?
"Their slanderous post, 'IRIS should be ignored from this point on since she has already admitted that she's just a rebelious ex-muslim who couldn't stomach the laws she was expected to follow.... a poor excuse for turning your back on God if you ask me....[source - Page 9]'"
Fact, my wife was never a Muslim as she came from a mixed religious household and never joined either of the false religions of that household, so no way can she be an ex-Muslim when she never was one to begin with.
[10] I, Iris's husband was called a plagiarist, AN OUTRIGHT LIE. Let's first consider what a plagiarist is,
plagiarist = noun: someone who uses another person's words or ideas as if they were his own, [source - One Look Dictionary, ]
Now let's look at the false charge,
"Well at least "he" admits that he's plagarizing "her" work before "he" reposts "her" CP nonsense.
[source - ]" but I give full credit and use with permission - that is not plagiarizing - so as usual another lie from Islam.
[11] I, Iris's husband was called a deviant, AN OUTRIGHT LIE, as I have not deviated from the teachings of Christ. Now let's look at the definition of deviant,
"ADJECTIVE: Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society. NOUN: One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.
[source- One Look Dictionary]The American HeritageOne Look Dictionary]
While the Apostles were on earth, there was only one classification of for followers of Christ, but shortly after their departure a great many so called Christians fell away from being genuine (true) followers of Christ and this was foretold to pass at Romans 16:17, " But I beseech you, brethren, to consider those who create divisions and occasions of falling, contrary to the doctrine which *ye* have learnt, and turn away from them." (American Standard Version; ASV). If one did not fall away from the genuine teachings of Christ as did many Christians and all members of Islam, they are not deviants with respect the adhering to the genuine teachings of Christ.
[12] Many members of Islam are ignorant of history, and cause and effect. See the proof,
"So You are actually condoning Christian terrorism Like Hiroshima And NAgazaki , The Holocaust ? , The War of roses , first worl war , second world war , All Christian Blood thirsty terrorists carried this out .
[source - Page 2]"
Anyone who knows history well knows that Japan and Nazi Germany were the aggressors, or the cause, and that everything else that occurred were the effect and/or results of their cause. Calling this Christian terrorism is nothing but AN OUTRIGHT LIE. For more detail, go to,
[0] Islam Does Not Know Difference Between Cause and Effect or Result: at,
[13] They claim that "hate as foundation of his (Jesus) faith," AN OUTRIGHT LIE, Jesus was all love as is his Father, Almighty God (YHWH), see Matthew 22:37-40 and 1 John 4:8.
"actual claim, HATE AS FOUNDATION OF HIS (Jesus) FAITH:[source - ]"
[14] They came Islam's Laws are perfect, AN OUTRIGHT LIE. To see the facts,
[1] Islamic Justice - Injustice - In action - Part 1: [74] at,
or
[2] Islamic Justice - Injustice - In action - Part 2: at,
or
Here is their original outlandish claim,
"Islam's laws are just because the Creator is Perfect and so His Justice is also Perfect.
[source - ]"
[15] They say, "my wife is defeated" , AN OUTRIGHT LIE, as they have proved none of her facts wrong.
Please go to this web site and post something against the lies they are telling against my good genuine Christian wife. Also, repost this on any web site you have access to.
[16] One of them suggest a desire to choke my wife, i.e., murder her, see,
[0] " suppose you are right brother. I just get so angry at Iris I could choke her
[source - Page 5]"
husband of a good Christian lady lied about by members of Islam
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[b] COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Islamic Justice - Injustice - In action - Part 1:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 640A]
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 1 Corinthians 10:13, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, sometimes Almighty God (YHWH) maneuvers situations to remove trials, but at other times, He gives endurance to endure such trials as testified to at Colossians 1:11, [AV] “Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;”
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[2[ Islamic Justice - Injustice - In action - Part 1:
Introduction:
Islam's claim as made by one of their members,
"Islam's laws are just because the Creator is Perfect and so His Justice is also Perfect.
[source - ]"
The Reality,
"These are the words of a young girl who called from Iran last night and talked on the air with NITV Satellite TV station located in Los Angeles.
"They killed my friend by inserting a baton into the body until it had reached the liver. God is my witness, these are not some tales, these are the realities of our lives in Iran about what they are doing to us! They won't even let us breathe here. The way they mistreatment us, has caused us to even hate ourselves. Although I was an "A" student, I intentionally failed my exam in retribution-law class of mine in the university because I couldn't agree with it. They whipped us if we didn't do the Islamic praying. They wanted me to respect their flag and I didn't want to because it was Arabic. I told them I'll respect the flag if they would put the word "Khoda" (god's name in Persian) on the flag instead of the "Allah" (the Arabic version of god's name). Thus, they lashed me over 70 times. You won't believe what this regime does to us. I was studying to be a judge but they ruined my life just because I held a flag with a "lion and sun" (Iranian ancient and historical flag) in my hand. After all that torturing and flogging, when they finally released me from prison, I burned the Koran. Although I love to have a child, I am not going to have one because I don't want my baby to be dictated their religion."
Some say, Iranians outside Iran are bunch of cowards and heartless who have their tails between their legs when it comes to defend and echo the voices of their compatriots inside Iran. Others say Iranians outside Iran have become heartless mechanical robots since they been neutered (aghim shodeh) by the regime?s supporters and cohorts outside Iran.
But I don't believe that. I believe most my compatriots are unaware of what really is going on in that country and more and more are becoming aware and active. I know every time more of my compatriots hear the outcries of Iran's sons and daughters within Iran such as this, it further awakens them and their conscience. I know soon my compatriots will rise in an unprecedented unity to liberate their motherland, free 70 million Iranian hostages and crush the tyrants and the anti-Iranian Islamic Regime.
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"Doing good to others is not a duty, it is a joy, for it increases our own health and happiness."
-Gatha [sources - NITV Satellite TV station located in Los Angeles, on Masjed Soleymaani Hastam, and [FREE IRAN Project] In The Spirit Of Cyrus The Great, and (in German) Iran/forum/viewtopic.php of Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia' and ,]"
Conclusion:
There is both good justice and bad justice, and as shown Islamic Justice is Just Plain Bad.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Islamic Justice - Injustice - In action - Part 2:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 641A]
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: James 1:19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
The mother of Jesus (Yeshua) was a great listener, and she was slow to speak. And she was surprised at his response when he was a twelve year old boy, and when she found him in the temple. He said, Luke 2:46 – 52, [AV] “And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. 51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.”
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[2] Islamic Justice - Injustice - In action - Part 2:
Introduction:
Islam's claim as made by one of their members,
"Islam's laws are just because the Creator is Perfect and so His Justice is also Perfect.
[source - ]"
The Reality,
For women to use force to defend themselves against rape is considered a serious crime for which they can be sentenced to death at the local court lever, and even if they appeal to the supreme court in their Islamic country they might have the death sentence lifted but will have to pay an outrageous fine that will bankrupt their family. This is not true justice, but injustice.
Here is an actual example for proof,
"www.rferl.org ^ | Saturday, 07 January 2006
Iran's "Etemad" newspaper reports today that an 18-year-old woman has been sentenced to death by hanging for killing a man she said was trying to rape her. The newspaper reported that the woman, identified only as Nazanin, testified during her trial that she and her niece were out with their boyfriends when they were accosted by two men who chased away the boyfriends then tried to rape the two young women. Nazanin admitted stabbing one of the men to prevent her and her niece from being assaulted. Nazanin was only 17 years old at the time, but under Iranian law...
[update] Iran clears teenage woman sentenced to deathAFP
January 15, 2007
TEHRAN -- An Iranian court has cleared of murder charges a 19-year-old woman who was originally sentenced to death for killing a man that she said tried to rape her, the press reported Monday.
Mahabad Fatehi, known as Nazanin, was cleared by a not valid. provincial court of premeditated murder but still ordered to pay blood money of 260 million Iranian riyals ($30,600) to the victim's family, the Etemad newspaper reported.
Fatehi, whose case achieved international notoriety when it was taken up by a Canadian beauty queen of Iranian origin, said that she stabbed the man in an act of self-defense after he tried to rape her and her niece in March 2005.
In January last year, Fatehi was put on trial and sentenced to death by a criminal court, a verdict that was then quashed by in an unprecedented move, the report said."
Note, even the court did not call it premeditated murder - is was a forceful defense by the girl to avoid being raped.
If she had been raped, she might have been murdered by her family for reasons of "honor." To see the facts,
[0] Murder of One's Daughter Tacitly Approved by Islam at,
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] PART 3 - MEMBERS OF ISLAM ARE SYSTEMATICALLY RAPING THE NATIVE WOMEN OF EUROPE. DOUBT THIS? READ THE NEWS ACCOUNT BELOW: WHEREAS, GENUINE FOLLOWERS ONLY SHOW LOVE NOT VIOLENCE TO OTHERS. BECOME A GENUINE FOLLOWER OF THE PRINCE OF PEACE, JESUS (YESHUA), GET OUT OF FALSE RELIGION.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 462A]
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. Ephesians 4:17 – 19, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
And 1 Peter 4:3, [AV] “For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:” shows we should give up our wrong ways. Yes, many of those doing what Almighty God (YHWH) does not want knew who He is , but as stated at Romans 1:21, [AV] “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Yes, all need to per Acts 26:18, [AV] “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.” For those not wanting to be obedient to him, He per Romans 1:28, [AV] “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” So we should per Isaiah 56:11 - 12, [AV] “Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.”
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[2] PART 3 - MEMBERS OF ISLAM ARE SYSTEMATICALLY RAPING THE NATIVE WOMEN OF EUROPE. DOUBT THIS? READ THE NEWS ACCOUNT BELOW: WHEREAS, GENUINE FOLLOWERS ONLY SHOW LOVE NOT VIOLENCE TO OTHERS. BECOME A GENUINE FOLLOWER OF THE PRINCE OF PEACE, JESUS (YESHUA), GET OUT OF FALSE RELIGION.
READ REALITY, THE FACTS THAT MANY MUSLIMS WILL DENY, BUT WHICH ARE TRUE. OBVIOUSLY THIS RELIGION IS A FALSE ONE AS THEY TACITLY APPROVE OF THIS ACTION AS SHOWN BY THE FACT THEY NEVER EXCOMMUNICATE OR THROW OUT THE EVIL PERPETRATORS. SEE DETAILS AFTER THE NEWS ARTICLE:
Norway Police: “Radical Islam Has Taken Over Oslo”September 18, 2017 Sean Adl-Tabatabai News, World 15Police in Norway say that they have completely lost control over the city of Oslo due to the fact that radical Islamists have taken over the area.
According to police, Grønland, a district in the city of Oslo, is experiencing “apocalyptic levels of violence and lawlessness.”
Occupydeplorables.com reports: The Grønland district of Oslo looks like Karachi, Basra, and Mogadishu all rolled into one. People sell drugs openly next to the Grønland subway station, violence is epidemic, and the police have largely given up. It’s not Norway or Europe anymore, except when there is welfare money to be collected.
The police are powerless. Five years ago, Aftenposten, a pro-Islamic leaning publication that is the largest newspaper in the Oslo, stated that there are sharia patrols in this area, and gay couples are assaulted and chased away. “Immigrant Fatima Tetouani says that ‘Grønland is more Muslim than Morocco.’”
The women are being raped at night in Oslo, and the men are robbed more than ever.
Sturla Nøstvik (36) did not suspect any danger when the barrel of a pistol was smashed into his forehead. That was the beginning of fifty minutes of hell as a hostage of the robbers.
In just the past ten years more than 4,000 people have been robbed in the town center and the area of the Grønland police station [an immigrant ghetto]. Most of them are young men. Sturla Nøstvik was robbery-victim 351 from Grønland just from this year, the same period in which around fifty assault-rapes have been reported in Oslo. The robbers play on fear and violence.
A Female Olso Police Officer Takes A Walk Through A Rape Scene And Explains The Immigrant Horrors That Have Been Festering For A Decade.
We are on a street in eastern Oslo. One of the top leaders of the police district tells about what happened here New Year’s Eve 2006, ten years ago, when a woman was subjected to aggravated sexual assault. The police officer Explains:
What we know is that a young woman aged 20 walked from there to here, well dressed, getting captured on CCTV. She is going to the direction Bopell. It’s about 4:00 am. There comes a man we can see on CCTV.
The man catches her running and tries to make contact with her. She refuses. The man throws the woman over here and begins to strangle her saying that she has to have sex with him or else she will die.
The police of Oslo have gone through all reported rapes where the victim did not know the rapist. It has given a clear perception about who is behind these kind of rapes.
The rapists are young men from other countries, often asylum seekers. They come often from traumatized countries or countries with a different view on women than here in Norway.
It’s both traumatized men and culture related incidents.
It’s like that.
What do you mean with ‘that?’
We see their view on women is that they may control other people, especially women.
Has it sometimes happened that our ethnic Norwegians have committed such rapes?
No, there has not been any such cases at the violence and sex department of Oslo.
She went on to say:
Use of aggravate violence was typical for the rapes.
We have example of violence that is so grave that when the victim describes it later, says that there and then, she was just fearing for her life.’
Can you describe the violence?
It can be anything from threats and knives to strangling and hitting with different objects.” [SOURCE - RETRIEVED FROM ON 9/20/2017]
Guilt Comes On Organizations That Fail To Clean House Of The Wicked Ones:
INTRODUCTION:
First, The world we live in is ruled by the wicked one as testified to by 1 John 5:19, “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV). If we pick up a newspaper in any country, we find reports of cruelty and violence on an unprecedented scale. Man’s inhumanity to man is troubling for a righteous person to contemplate as testified to at Ecclesiastes 8:9, “All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man ruleth over another to his own hurt.” (AV).
Second, Most individuals and/or groups seek to avoid responsibility for their own actions rather than take corrective actions. This also applies to so called religious groups that seek to absolve themselves of responsibility for the wrong actions of members, but fail, willingly, to take action against these wrong doers by purging themselves of these wicked ones.
THE REALITY:
If a religion fails to clean house of evil and wicked men when they are discovered, and especially of evil and wicked men/women taking the lead in a congregation, and/or congregations such as Pastors, Ministers, Sheiks, Imams, Bishops, Cardinals, Etc., then the religion is responsible for their wrong doing. Some religions such as Islam have never cleaned house of evil and wicked individuals when they are discovered and that religion has been violent since its beginning, and many of its members lust for violence in such acts as beheading of others, suscide bombers, makers of IEDs, etc. do to the teachings of their groups religious leaders. One notable example of an evil and wicked individual Islam well knows of who is a leader of a large group of members of Islam is Sheik Osama bin Ladin. Of course, Islam, is NOT the only religion that fails to take effective action against evil and wicked individuals and leaders of groups among them, another is the Catholic and Angalican churches that for many years just moved pedophiles to a new congregation when they were uncovered as the world's news media has so well identified. Groups seeking to keep themselves clean of evil and wicked individuals that sneak into their group take the appropriate action; to wit, they throw them out.
Now many religions seek to escape reality by claiming they have no provisions within their religion for purging out these wicked ones, but this is no excuse since it is their failure to provide measures for purging out these wicked ones and no one else’s.
Now let’s look at one such religion that tries to escape their responsibility for cleaning house so to speak.
ISLAM FAILS TO CLEAN HOUSE:
Now of course it is important to recognize that not all Muslims are terrorist and jihadists nor refuse to recognize the property rights of others, it is likewise equally important to recognize that all jihadists are members of Islam. Islam is totally responsible for their actions as they tacitly approve of their evil wrong doing and have never cleaned house of these wicked ones. To wit, by not doing so, they have taken on the responsibility for their wrongful actions upon themselves. Yes, of course they are not the only religion that has failed to clean house; thus taking on the guilt of these wrong doers. Any religion, no exception, which fails to clean house is nothing but an evil false religion. And as previously stated, ‘Now many religions seek to escape reality by claiming they have no provisions within their religion for purging out these wicked ones, but this is no excuse since it is their failure to provide measures for purging out these wicked ones and no one else’s.’
CONCLUSION:
Many are just fooling themself, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope (Pope Innocent III (1160 or 1161 – 16 July 1216)), what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion which is at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
Likewise the failure to clean house of evil ones puts their wrongs directly upon the organization failing to throw out evil/wicked ones when they are found out.
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES. With the Scripture of the Day first.
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 643A]
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isaiah 41:8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Reality, the greatest need of mankind is for love. Abraham was a man who cultivated a loving friendship with Almighty God (YHWH) as shown by James 2:23 - 24, [AV] “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” In fact, the Bible at Romans 4:11 - 13, [AV] “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.” [A side note: Abraham was of the ninth generation descended from Shem, one of the sons of Noah, and a man of great faith.]
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[2] Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Green Sapote, Pouteria Virde, sapote" is believed to have been derived from the Aztec "tzapotl", a general term applied to all soft, sweet fruits. It has long been utilized as a common name for Pouteria sapota (Jacq.) H.E. Moore & Stearn (syns. P. mammosa (L.) Cronquist, Lucuma mammosa Gaertn., Achradelpha mammosa Cook, Vitellaria mammosa Radlk., Calocarpum mammosum Pierre, C. sapota Merrill, Sideroxylon sapota Jacq.). Alternate vernacular names include sapota, zapote, zapote colorado, zapote mamey, lava-zapote, zapotillo, mamey sapote, mamee sapote, mamee zapote, mamey colorado, mamey rojo, mammee or mammee apple or red sapote. In El Salvador, it is known as zapote grande, in Colombia as zapote de carne; in Cuba, it is mamey, which tends to confuse it with Mammea americana L., a quite different fruit widely known by that name. The usual name in Panama is mamey de la tierra; in Haiti, sapotier jaune d'oeuf, or grand sapotillier; in Guadeloupe, sapote à creme; in Martinique, grosse sapote; in Jamaica, it is marmalade fruit or marmalade plum; in Nicaragua, it may be called guaicume; in Mexico, chachaas or chachalhaas or tezonzapote; in Malaya and the Philippines, chico-mamei, or chico-mamey.
The sapote belongs to the family Sapotaceae, the same family as the sapodilla (Manilkara zapota van Royen) which has also been called sapote, zapote, or zapote chico to distinguish it from the larger fruit. [source - retrieved from on 1/09/2013]
Here is what one person attempting to grow a Green Sapote has to say, “Me and everyone else that's tried to grow a green sapote 
. Don't panic it will grow new leaves this year but chances are it wont grow any height. My friend from Perth is the only guy I know that cured it, after several years of no upward growth he dumped huge amounts of fertiliser on the green sapote and it grew 10 foot taller in a season and then died 
So maybe dump half the amount of fertiliser he did on it and you will be ok .
That reminds me I have to go anf finish putting chicken manure on my garden, I got 12 40kg bags of the stuff a few days ago and only have 3 bags left but I will get more than half of my trees fed this year, which will be my best effort ever and I might even buy another 10 bags to finish the job. I'm starting to impress myself everytime I go for a walk among my trees now, its really starting to look like a garden, has tracks between the trees and everything ” by Jason on December 13, 2005 at 4:51 pm PST.
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to www.jw.org].
Unfortunately there is very little information on the Green Sapote in English, but here is some information in Spanish.
Zapote verde (Viene de Frutales)
Pouteria viridis Cronq
(syns. Calocarpum viride Pitt;. viridis Achradelpha O.F. Cook).
El zapote verde, se le llama Injerto, Injerto verde o raxtul en Guatemala; zapote injerto en Costa Rica; White faisan o red faisan en Belice. El árbol es erecto, llega a 40 o incluso 80 pies (12 a 24 m)de altura , sus ramas jóvenes son densamente peludas. Posee una gran cantidad de látex blanco y pegajoso. Las hojas están agrupadas en las puntas de las ramas florecidas e irregularmente alternadas a lo largo de las ramitas suplentes no fructificadas. Son oblongo-lanceoladas, puntiagudas, de 4 a 10 pulgadas (10-25 cm) de largo, 2 a 2 3/4 pulgadas (7.5 cm) de ancho, pilosas en el nervio medio superior y blanquecinas por debajo.
Las flores, nacen en grupos de 2 a 5 en las axilas de las hojas y se congregan a lo largo de las ramas sin hojas, son tubulares, de 5 lóbulos, rosadas o marfil y con pelos sedosos.
El fruto varía desde casi redondo a ovalado, agudo en el ápice y, a veces en la base, puede ser de 3 1/2 a 5 pulgadas (9 a 12.5 cm) de largo y de 2 1/2 a 3 pulgadas (6.25 a 7.5 cm) de grueso,
con la piel fina, de color verde oliva o verde-amarillo salpicado de rojo-marrón y se aferra con fuerza a la pulpa. La pulpa es de color rojizo, de textura fina, pastosa, bastante jugosa y dulce, de mejor sabor que el zapote. Puede tener 1 o 2 semillas de color marrón oscuro, brillantes, elípticas o aovadas de 2 pulgadas (5 cm) de largo, con un gran hilio mate gris en una superficie. El fruto se recoge aun duro y se almacena hasta que esté blando. La pulpa por lo general se come cruda sacándola con una cuchara de la piel, pero en Guatemala se hace de ella una conserva.
El árbol es nativo y común en la naturaleza en Guatemala y Honduras; más raro en Costa Rica y hacia el sur hasta Panamá, en alturas entre 3,000 y 7,000 pies (900-2,100 metros). Los frutos comunmente se comercializan.
En 1916, 50 semillas de la fruta de un mercado en Guatemala fueron traídas por el Departamento de Agricultura de EE.UU. Siembras experimentales se realizaron en California y Florida. Más semillas fueron enviados por el Dr. Wilson Popenoe del jardín experimental de Lancetilla en Tela, Honduras, en 1929. Siguieron otras introducciones. No quedaban sobrevivientes en California o Florida para el 1940. Árboles de 8 a 10 pies (2,4 a 3 m) de alto en el Agricultural Research and Education Center, Homestead, Florida, murieron por una inundación en 1948. Un investigador privado, William Whitman, obtuvo esquejes de Honduras en 1954 y los injertó en patrones de zapote. Otros injertos fueron hechos por un productor comercial de frutas y los primeros frutos se produjeron en 1961. Posteriormente, árboles injertados fueron puestos a la venta por el Vivero Brooks-Tower y diferentes plantas de semilla han sido distribuidos a productores privados.
El árbol parece florecer con poco cuidado en el suelos hammock ricos, pero necesita fertilización regular en la piedra caliza.
El escarabajo cubano se alimenta de las hojas. Las plántulas comienzan a producir frutos cuando tienen de 8 a 10 años de edad. La cosecha madura en otoño e invierno. [source - retrieved from on 1/09/2013]
A picture of the fruit can be seen at
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] The Muslim Hide Behind For Everything
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 644A]
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. Mark 13:8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Today, we are living in the end-times close to its conclusion and the arrival of Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) Kingdom prayed for at Matthew 6:9 – 10, [AV] “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” Yes, the earth shall be made over, and righteousness shall prevail as testified to in Psalms 37: , [AV] “But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. 39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble. 40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.” And as Pslams 55:22 -23, shows, [AV] “Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved. 23 But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.”
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[2] The Muslim Hide Behind For Everything
INTRODUCTION:
Islam is not able to stand up to reality; they take refuge from reality by saying, "show it to me in the Quran." This in no way covers reality of the real world as we all know.
Consider some examples,
Some Muslims run a major homosexual site, GayEgypt, on the Internet, but they will not owe up to it, they say, "show it to me in the Quran."
Members of Islam at the direction of Sheik Usama bin Ladin attack and destroy world trade center and murder over 3,000 individuals, this is violence, but they say "show it to me in the Quran."
Members of Islam are presented with actual cases of Islamic justice in Iran, but instead of owing up to it, say "show it to me in the Quran."
Reality,
"You are just fooling yourself, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions. It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say. People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders. Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them. Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say. Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders. Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it. Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.[source - Iris the Preacher, unpublished document]"
Their false claim, Allah = Almighty God (YHWH), when given authoritive data to the contrary,
"Some who speak Arabic do not even know that god in Arabic is Ilah. Allah is as history shows,
<<<"It should not come as a surprise that the word "Allah" was not something invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Quran.
The well-known Middle East scholar H.A.R. Gibb has pointed out that the reason that Muhammad never had to explain who Allah was in the Quran is that his listeners had already heard about Allah long before Muhammad was ever born" [source - Mohammedanism: An Historical Survey, New York: Mentor Books, 1955, p.38]>>>.
<<<"Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes:
"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa" (Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85)>>>.
<<<"The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic. [source - "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pp. 173-190]>>>.
<<<"Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity." [source - Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark]>>>. This historical reference book goes on to state,
'"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God. '"
<<<"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name . . . corresponding to the Babylonian Bel' [source - Encyclopedia of Religion, I:117 Washington DC, Corpus Pub., 1979]>>>.
<<<"For those who find it hard to believe that Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times, the following quotations may be helpful:
"Allah is found . . . in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" [source - Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643]>>>.
<<<"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah" [source - Encyclopedia off Islam, I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913, Houtsma]>>>.
<<<"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic . . . Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" [source - Encyclopedia off Islam, I:406, ed. Gibb]>>>.
<<<"Ilah . . . appears in pre-Islamic poetry . . . By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to Allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" [source - Encyclopedia off Islam, III:1093, 1971][>>>.
<<<"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad" [source - Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:41, Anthony Mercatante, New York, The Facts on File, 1983]>>>.
<<<"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" [source - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, I:326, Hastings]>>>.
<<<"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" [source - The Bible and Islam: or, The Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p. 102]>>>.
<<<"The name Allah is also evident in archeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" [source - The Call of the Minaret, Dr. Kenneth Cragg, New York: Oxford University Press, 1956, p. 31]>>>."
Say, "show it to me in the Quran."
They deny true source of the Quran,
"Muslims believe that Muhammad (pbuh) received the Quran from an angel, but reality is very different. It is a distorted copy of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Noah, Moses, etc., the creator of all there is, the Bible, although most of Islam denies this reality. Details can be found in a recent book review as follows:
<<<" A book review of Christoph Luxenberg, a world renown linguistic scholar, clearly reveals that the Quran is nothing but a distorted knockoff of the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, creator of all there is, the Bible.
This book review is contained in, "HUGOYE: JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany: Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.
[ ]
THE evidence:
Let's look at the evidence contained in the book review of Christoph Luxenberg's latest book in German, "Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache." He clearly shows that the Quran draws on personal names of Biblical origins, that the name "Quran' even indicates its origin, that it was NEVER intended to replace the written source - the Bible, that it was distorted from the writings of Muhammad early on, as follows:
<<<"The rest of the section draws on personal names of Biblical origin in the Qur'an to demonstrate that the so-called Arabic matres lectionis, 'alif, waw, and ya, must also be polyvalent. Luxenberg points out that Islamic tradition admits a reading of the mater for long /a/ in certain instances as /e/ because this pronunciation was a peculiarity of the Arabic of Mecca. Luxenberg shows that the term harf, "sign" must also carry a meaning synonymous to qira'at, "(way of) reading" and that this is not only supplying the vowels in an unvocalized text, but also supplying the diacritical points that distinguish consonants. It is only gradually that these diacritical points became fixed so that consonants came to have just one reading. This process of determining the value of each letter of the Qur'an unfolded over some three hundred years. This is known from the oldest manuscripts of the Qur'an which do not have the diacritical points distinguishing readings of a single consonant. By the time these became commonly used, Arabian commentators were no longer aware that many words were either straight Aramaic or were calques peculiar to Meccan Arabic. From this resulted the difficulties that the Qur'an posed to even the earliest Arabian commentators...
The section concludes by demonstrating that the technical meaning of "lectionary" is preserved in the word qur'an. Most striking is the conclusion that the term umm kitab, an aramaism, must be a written source and that the Qur'an was never intended to replace this written source. One might complain that the details of the argument for the reading of suras 12:1-2 and 3:7 are squeezed into footnotes, but nevertheless the argument is clear. Luxenberg proves that the term qur'an itself is the key to unlocking the passages that have given commentators in and outside of the tradition frustration. If quryan means "lectionary," and if the text itself claims to be a clarification of an earlier text, then that earlier text must be written in another language. The only candidate is the Old and New Testament in Syriac, the Penutsta. Hence the influence of Aramaic on the Arabic of Muhammad has an identifiable, textual origin. At the very end of the work, Luxenberg makes a compelling argument that sura 108 is a close allusion to the Penutsta of 1 Peter 5:8-9. Indeed this sura, which is only three lines long, is one of the most difficult passages for the Arabian as well as the Western commentators. Luxenberg shows why: it is composed of transcriptions into Arabic writing of the Syriac New Testament text, i.e., there is almost no "Arabic" in the sura. These are "revealed" texts, and insofar as the Qur'an contains quotations or paraphrases of them, the Qur'an is also "revealed." ...
Many dialects of Arabic existed at the time of Muhammad. In the ten places where the Qur'an claims to have been written in Arabic, Luxenberg shows first that these passages have grammatical forms which are difficult for the commentators and have varying interpretations among the translators. He notes that in sura 41:44, the Arabic fassala means "to divide," but the context here requires "make distinct" or better "interpret." Nowhere else does the Arabic word have this meaning, and the Syriac-Arabic lexica do not give the one as a translation for the other; tarjama (a direct borrowing from Syriac) is the usual Arabic word for "interpret." However, the Syriac praš / parreš can mean both "divide" as well as "interpret" (like Hebrew hibdil; also this is an example of a "semantic calque" mentioned above). Tabari too understands fassala to be a synonym for bayyana (sura 44:3), which also has the meaning "interpret." Sura 41:44 also clearly attests to a source for the Qur'an that is written in a foreign language. Luxenberg, following Tabari, notes a corruption in the text of this verse that clearly shows that part of the Qur'an has a non-Arabic source. His argument here is somewhat weak if not for the further evidence deduced from eleven other locations in the Qur'an where Luxenberg consistently applies these and similar arguments to difficulties all of which center on the terms related to the revelation and language of the Qur'an. These arguments leave little doubt, that Luxenberg has uncovered a key misunderstanding of these terms throughout the Qur'an....
In section twelve Luxenberg demonstrates that not only the origin and language of the Qur'an are different from what the commentators who wrote two hundred years after its inception claim it to be, but that several key passages contain words or idioms that were borrowed from Syriac into Arabic. From his analysis of sura 19:24 (in the so-called "Marian Sura"): "Then he called to her from beneath her: 'Grieve not; thy Lord hath placed beneath thee a streamlet,'" he concludes that it should be read "He called to her immediately after her laying-down (to give birth 'Grieve not; thy Lord has made your laying-down legitimate.'" Luxenberg's lengthy discussion of the complexities of this passage resolve grammatical difficulties in the Arabic in a way that fits the context: Jesus gives Mary the courage to face her relatives even with a child born out of wedlock. The section then presents lengthy arguments dealing with various lexical, morphological, syntactic and versification problems in sura 11:116-117...
In that same section, one also finds a study of how Syriac roots were misread and altered by later commentators. In one case, the word jaw (sura 16:79) misread "air, atmosphere" is from Syriac gaw, which means both "insides, inner part" and can also be used as a preposition meaning "inside." In sura 16:79 Luxenberg demonstrates that the prepositional use makes more sense than the solution posed by the commentators. Classical Arabic grammar, which was created three hundred years after the Qur'an, does not recall the prepositional meaning of the word. However, dialects of Arabic preserve the original Syriac prepositional use. So where sura 16:79 reads fi jaw as-sama' "in(side) heaven" referring to birds held aloft and kept from falling down by God, the dialects agree: fi jawwat al-bet "inside the house" is perfectly good Arabic. The misreading of Qur'anic Arabic jaw as "air" has become part of the technical vocabulary of modern standard Arabic: "air mail," "air force," "airline," and "weather report" all use jaw. The imaginary meaning of the grammarians lives on. ...
Section sixteen follows this investigation as it points to a similar misreading of paradise's grapes as youths, Arabic wildun. Sura 76:19 "Round amongst them go boys of perpetual youth, whom when one see, he thinks them pearls unstrung" (sura 16.1, citing Bell's translation). Wildun is a genuinely Arabic word, but it is used in a sense which is borrowed from Syriac yalda. Youths like pearls is somewhat suspicious, especially given that "pearls" are a metaphor for the grapes of paradise from the previous section. Luxenberg uncovered that Syriac has the expression yalda dagpetta, "child of the vine," appearing in the Penutsta: Matthew 26:29, Mark 14:25, and Luke 22:18, in which Christ foreshadows his death and resurrection: "I will not drink of this child of the vine (yalda dagpetta) until the day when I drink it new in the kingdom of my Father." Here it is the juice of the grape that is the "child." Entries in the Arabic-Syriac lexica for each of yalda and gpetta give in addition to "child" and "vine" "fruit" and "wine," respectively. Luxenberg gives further evidence from suras 37:45, 43:71, and 76:15 that Ephraem the Syrian's depiction of the grapes of paradise is behind the original Qur'anic text.
A central question that this investigation raises is the motivation of cUthman in preparing his redaction of the Qur'an. Luxenberg presents the two hadith traditions recounting how cUthman came to possess the first manuscript. If Luxenberg's analysis is even in broad outline correct, the content of the Qur'an was substantially different at the time of Muhammad and cUthman's redaction played a part in the misreading of key passages. Were these misreadings intentional or not? The misreadings in general alter the Qur'an from a book that is more or less harmonious with the New Testament and Syriac Christian liturgy and literature to one that is distinct, of independent origin. " [source - book review is contained in, "HUGOYE: JOURNAL OF SYRIAC STUDIES," book review of Christoph Luxenberg (ps.) Die syro-aramaeische Lesart des Koran; Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Qur'ansprache. Berlin, Germany: Das Arabische Buch, First Edition, 2000. Pp. ix + 306, Vol. 6, No. 1, January 2003.]>>>.
THE Reality:
Muhammad (pbuh) had Christians in his family from whom he learned about the Bible from and scribes to read it to him as he was illiterate. After learning much about the Bible, he started dictating to his scribes what he wanted written down, and as all know a process like this can only product a distorted product as compared to the original, the inspired word of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, and Jacob, creator of all there is, the Bible.
Now most in Islam will not agree with this reality, the truth, per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but the facts sustain it. Let's look at his connection to Christianity through his relatives as reported in an Islamic source.
Many Muslims have argued that Muhammad only met Jews or Christians only on very few occasions, by far too short to be sufficient to gain any real knowledge of the earlier scriptures. In particular, they were not translated into Arabic at this time. The content of the Qur'an therefore does not come from human sources but can only be through direct revelation from God.
I agree that the scriptures probably did not exist in Arabic at that time, at least not completely or widely known, but with the other statements I am not in agreement. And even the non-existence of scriptures in Arabic is irrelevant as we will see in the following.
The Muslim sources tell us about a certain Waraqa bin Nawfal and in what way Muhammad was related to him.
<<<"Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3: Narrated 'Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones."
Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Nawfal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while. ...
Some essential statements above:
1. "his desire to see his family."
2. "You keep good relations with your Kith and kin"
This shows that Muhammad was a "family man", and given that the middle eastern culture is well known for its family orientedness (something I very much appreciate in Muslims) and that in this setting Muhammad was seemingly even a very good example (otherwise this would not have been mentioned as special virtue) we can deduce that he probably spend much time with his relatives keeping a good relationship, and that means regular visiting.
Furthermore, nobody will deny that Muhammad was already religious before he had this first encounter in the cave on Mt. Hira. After all, he went there to meditate and pray. As the hadith says, it was a habit of his: "He USED to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days..."
The big question now is:
What will such a religious man talk about when he visits his relatives? Would it be too much to guess that religion will be a major part of these conversations?
And what do we see happening here when Muhammad is disturbed and frightened by a "religious experience"? After calming down a bit at home with his wife, who is the person they visit first?
Waraqa bin Nawfal. Seemingly, he is seen by Khadija and Muhammad as an authority in spiritual matters. And he is the cousin of his wife. And he is a Christian familiar with the scriptures since, after all, he is making copies of the scriptures, whether for personal study or for a fellowship/church of Christians.
So, these are the facts:">>>.
So Islam's argument that he, Muhammad (pbuh) had little contact with either Jews or Christians is an outright lie as is the other claims made for the Quran. Most of the other claims are quite similar to those of Joseph Smith for the Book of Mormon; to wit, the book was received from an angel.[source - Abrahamic Religion by Iris the Preacher and can be read in its entirety at, ]"
But instead of facing up to reality, they say, "show it to me in the Quran."
Conclusion:
Islam hides behind the Quran and will not even face up to how it came into existence - what do you call this? HYPOCRITS!
But the reality is they are responsible for 95% of the violence in the world per a newspaper that has been keeping count,
"The Weekend Australian (newspaper) had this to say on the matter,
<<"Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other?
Islam is intolerant of other religions, so much so that Christians in Nigeria, Sudan and middle eastern countries are killed for practicing their religion. Muslims are also responsible for burning down their churches. Sydney has recently seen an attack on four churches for similar reasons. (December 16, 2005) How can we tolerate such intolerance?">>."
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] Islam Lets Members Run A Homosexual Site Then Wrongly Labels It A Porn Site:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 645A]
But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the LORD had shut up her womb. 6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the LORD had shut up her womb. 7 And as he did so year by year, when she went up to the house of the LORD, so she provoked her; therefore she wept, and did not eat. 8 Then said Elkanah her husband to her, Hannah, why weepest thou? and why eatest thou not? and why is thy heart grieved? am not I better to thee than ten sons? 1 Samuel 1:6 – 8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Here we are dealing with a polygamous marriage where Hannah the first wife was being abused and harassed unfairly by the second wife. She answered not her husband with respect her sorrow, but prayed unto the lord for deliverance. This is shown at 1 Samuel 1:10 – 11, [AV] “And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore.
11 And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.” She promised that if given a son, he would be given to the Lord’s service. Later the Lord removed her bareness and she produced a son whom she gave over to serve the Lord all his days, the Prophet Samuel. And as Psalms 34:18 – 19, says, [AV] “The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. 19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.”
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[2] Islam Lets Members Run A Homosexual Site Then Wrongly Labels It A Porn Site:
Let's face it what kind of a religion runs a homosexual site and labels it a porn site - ONLY THE MUSLIM RELIGION.
Let's look at the facts:
I never back things that Almighty God (YHWH) disapproves of like gay marriages, the acceptance of gay men, and lesbians such as Bishop Fred Hiltz of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island does. You should well know that these things violate Romans 1:21-27, "because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (ASV). Nor do I agree with the Muslims at GayEgypt who actively promote homosexuality. The "The Middle East Times" says "GayEgypt" has emerged as a key source of information and communication for the gay community in Egypt." It's a shame that the Muslim community as well as the apostate (counterfeit) Christian community tolerate such wrong doing.
Now all should see that Muslims are running a homosexual site and calling it a porn site if anyone referrs to it. One should ask what is wrong with the Muslim religion. Of course, the answer is everything. Let's look at the facts, Islam is a completely deviant religion. How so? It has deviated from the genuine teachings of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, the Son of Almighty God (YHWH) of which the inspired word of Almighty God (YHWH) says at John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me." (American Standard Version; ASV).
While the Apostles were on earth, there was only one classification of for followers of Christ, but shortly after their departure a great many so called Christians fell away from being genuine (true) followers of Christ and this was foretold to pass at Romans 16:17, " But I beseech you, brethren, to consider those who create divisions and occasions of falling, contrary to the doctrine which *ye* have learnt, and turn away from them." (American Standard Version; ASV). If one did not fall away from the genuine teachings of Christ as did many Christians and all members of Islam, they are not deviants with respect the adhering to the genuine teachings of Christ.
Now Islam has deviated to such an extent that it permits its members to run a major homosexual site in violation of the requirements of Almighty God (YHWH) as given at Romans 1:19-28, " because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. 28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;" (ASV).
Islam is so reprobate of mind and so hypocritical that when anyone refers to their members major homosexual site, which of course is a direct violation of the word of Almighty God (YHWH), they say that he/she is referring to a porn site; however, they avoid the salient fact that it is an Islamic site no matter what you want to call it and it is just plain wrong. But of course that is an issue they want to dodge and not face "head on;" whereas, to a limited degree, even the apostate Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is starting to address the homosexual/pedophile problem it has among its priest.
Instead of being honest and addressing the problem, Islam does its utmost to blunt any discussion about it and to penalize any one with the honesty and integrity to bring it up in any way. They do this in many ways such as claiming anyone bring up this major wrong is referring to a porn site, the burning of a small newspaper office in the Gaza strip some years ago that made the mistake of mentioning it, saying that the major homosexual site is a Christian site [which of course it is not], show it to me in the Qur'an [not accepting reality], but never addressing the fact that no matter what you want to call it, a religion should not be letting it members set up and run such a site. But, of course what can you really expect of a deviant religion which does not even want to recognize the reality that Jesus (Yeshua) is the only begotten Son of God per Matthew 27:43, "He trusted upon God; let him save him now if he will have him. For he said, I am Son of God." (ASV). Of course from such a deviant group which has so many members full of hate, greed, and lust for violence inbreed in them by their religious leaders you can not expect much.
The answer to all trying to suppress reality about this deviant situation is as follows:
"The question should be, "Why does a religion permit its members to run a major homosexual site and promote this evil practice which is condemned by Almighty God (YHWH) and then try to dodge the issue by saying others should not mention it because it is a Porn site. Think a minute, is not running a porn site by members of religion just as evil or worse than a homosexual site, and should not this wrong practice be made known to the world."
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] MEMBERS OF ISLAM LIE AND POST MISS-INFORMATION COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE TO THE CONCEPT OF LEARNING AND EDUCATION:
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 646A]
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:16 – 17, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Yes, the Comforter sent after Jesus (Yeshua) went to heaven was none other than Almighty God’s (YHWH’s) active force the Holy Spirit. And luke 11:13, [AV] “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” which is further shown at Ephesians 1:13, [AV] “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” Therefore we should seek to do righteousness and not per Ephesians 4:30, [AV] “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”
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[2] MEMBERS OF ISLAM LIE AND POST MISS-INFORMATION COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE TO THE CONCEPT OF LEARNING AND EDUCATION:
Let's look at some actual cases of lying and miss-information by members of Islam:
CASE 1:
What member of Islam said, with respect a Practice of a Horrible Heathen Crime Against Nature.
<<<"[[4]]How do you know true christians don't do this? Is there anything in your bible that forbids this practice?
[[1]]What about for a girl who is deformed down there and has a need for this precedure? Is it wrong for her to have it as well?
[[2]]Do you realize that women who live in very hot climates like Africa, experience swelling in that area, making this type of operation necessary for them to live a normal life?
[[3]]I have never said that muslims around the world do not have cultural practices that have little or nothing to do with Islam.... it doesn't make it wrong or right based on that alone though.">>>
Now let's look past these lies and false accusations at the truth:
FIRST [[1]], There is no medical need for this procedure. The following article from an encyclopedia will clearly show this and the fact that it is bad for a women's health. Saying there are medical reasons for same is nothing but AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
SECOND [[2]], Your saying that,
<<<"in very hot climates like Africa, experience swelling in that area, making this type of operation necessary for them to live a normal life?">>>
Is AN OUTRIGHT LIE in no way backed by medical knowledge, see article below.
THIRD [[3]], You refuse to accept that many members of Islam practice this heathen horrible sex crime against young girls.
Is AN OUTRIGHT REJECTION OF REALITY which goes completely against the principles of education, learning, and the truth.
FOURTH [[4]], Genuine (true) followers do not practice this heathen horrible sex crime against young girls. The statement,
<<<" How do you know true christians don't do this? Is there anything in your bible that forbids this practice?">>>
Is nothing but a deceptive question similar to the one used by Satan the Devil in the Garden of Eden, AN OUTRIGHT LIE in the form of a question.
FIFTH, LIES LIKE THIS ARE UN-EXCUSABLE, and show that any religion whose members resort to same are being controlled by Satan the Devil per John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof." (American Standard Version; ASV).
Islam is sick as shown by a terrible heathen sex crime against nature committed by many of their members in Egypt and elsewhere.
Members of Islam Practice Horrible Heathen Crime Against Nature. Now let's look at just what this horrible crime against nature is:
Female genital cutting (FGC) refers to the excision or tissue removal of any part of the female genitalia for cultural, religious or other non-medical reasons. It is more frequently referred to as female genital mutilation (FGM) or female circumcision (FC).
The term FGC does not refer to gender reassignment surgery or the genital modification of intersexuals.
Different terms are used to describe the act of female genital cutting, but regardless of the terminology the same practice is being referred to. Opponents of these practices tend to use the term Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), whereas groups who support and practice this ritual tend to use the term Female Circumcision (FC), which is also considered an euphemism. Advocates of male circumcision argue that the term "female circumcision" results in unwanted associations between the two practices, while genital integrity advocates might refer to all child genital cutting as mutilation.
The expression Female Genital Mutilation gained growing support in the late 1970s. The word mutilation not only established clear linguistic distinction from male circumcision, but it also emphasized the gravity of the act. In 1990, this term was adopted at the third conference of the Inter African Committee on Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children (IAC) in Addis Ababa. In 1991, the World Health Organization recommended that the United Nations adopt this terminology and subsequently, it has been widely used in UN documents.
Amnesty International and the World Health Organization most often refer to the practice as 'Female Genital Mutilation'.[1][2][3][4]
The use of the word mutilation reinforces the idea that this practice is a violation of the human rights of girls and women, and thereby helps promote national and international advocacy towards its abandonment. At the community level, however, the term can be problematic. Local languages generally use the less judgmental "cutting" to describe the practice; parents understandably resent the suggestion that they are "mutilating" their daughters. In this spirit, in 1999, the UN called for tact and patience regarding activities in this area and drew attention to the risk of "demonizing" certain cultures, religions and communities. As a result, the term "cutting" has increasingly come to be used to avoid alienating communities.[5]
In 1996 the UNFPA-sponsored Reproductive, Educative, And Community Health program coined the term 'Female Genital Cutting', observing that 'Female Genital Mutilation' may "imply excessive judgment by outsiders as well as insensitivity toward individuals who have undergone some form of genital excision.[6]
There are several distinct practices of FGC that range in severity, depending on how much genital tissue is cut away. Four major types have been categorized (see Diagram 1), although there is some debate as to whether all common forms of FGC fit into these four categories, as well as issues with the reliability of reported data.[7]
Clitoridectomy involves the removal or splitting of the clitoral hood, termed "hoodectomy" (or "clitorodotomy"), with or without excision of the clitoris, see Diagram 1B. The clitoral hood is the female prepuce, homologous to the foreskin of the male. This term was devised in The Sudan by the Anglo-Sudanese administration in 1946 in an attempt to promote this "milder" form of FGC instead of the more severe Type III, infibulation or pharaonic circumcision, that was widely practiced.[8] Although labeled Sunna by Islamic advocates of the practice, most MusliType III is the most severe form of FGC and is called infibulation or pharaonic circumcision (referring to the Pharaohs who were thought to practice this form). Infibulation involves extensive tissue removal of the external genitalia, including all of the labia minora and the inside of the labia majora, leaving a raw open wound. The labia majora are then held together using thorns or stitching and the girl's legs are tied together for two - six weeks, to prevent her from moving and allow the healing of the two sides of the vulva. Nothing remains of the normal anatomy of the genitalia, except for a wall of flesh from the pubis down to the anus, with the exception of a pencil-size opening at the inferior portion of the vulva to allow urine and menstrual blood to pass through, see Diagram 1D. This type of FGC is often carried out by an elderly matron or midwife of the village on girls between the ages of two and six, without anaesthetic and under unhygienic conditions.[11]
A reverse infibulation can be performed to allow for sexual intercourse (often by the husband using a knife on the wedding night) or when undergoing labor, or by female relatives, whose responsibility it is to inspect the wound every few weeks and open it some more if necessary. During childbirth, the enlargement is too small to allow vaginal delivery, and so the infibulation must be opened completely and restored after delivery. Once again, the legs are tied together to allow the wound to heal, and the procedure is repeated for each subsequent act of intercourse or childbirth. When childbirth takes place in a hospital, the surgeons may preserve the infibulation by enlarging the vagina with deep episiotomies. Afterwards, the patient may insist that her vulva be closed again so that her husband does not reject her.[11]
This practice is reported to cause the disappearance of sexual pleasure for the women affected, as well as major medical complications. Most advocates of the practice continue to perform the procedure in adherence to standards of beauty that are very different from those in the west. Many infibulated women will contend that the pleasure their partners receive due to this procedure is a definitive part of a successful marriage.
m clergy oppose all forms of female genital cutting as it is viewed as a social custom, rather than a religious practice. According to Dr. Sami A. Aldeeb Abu-Salieh at the Swiss Institute of Comparative Law:
Excision refers to clitoridectomy (removal of the prepuce and the clitoris) plus the partial or total removal of the labia minora, the inner lips of the vulva, see Diagram 1C. Type II circumcision is a more extensive form of FGC compared to Type I and due to the sewing together of the leftover labia minora epidermis, which contains sweat glands, a buildup of sweat and urine in the closed off space beneath this closure can lead to local or urinary infection, septicemia, hemorrhaging and cyst formation.[10] This type of FGC is also called khafd, meaning reduction in Arabic.
Female genital cutting is today mainly practiced in African countries. It is common in a band that stretches from Senegal in West Africa to Somalia on the East coast, as well as from Egypt (Who have just banned FGC[12]) in the north to Tanzania in the south, see Map. In these regions, it is estimated that more than 95% of all women have undergone this procedure. It is also practiced by some groups in the Arabian peninsula, especially among a minority (20%) in Yemen.[13]
The countries that practice FGC the most are Somalia, followed by Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, and Mali. Among ethnic Somali women, infibulation is traditional and nearly universal. In the Arab peninsula, Sunna circumcision is usually performed, especially among Arabs (ethnic groups of African descent are more likely to prefer infibulation).
Whilst FGC is widely practiced out in the open by African Muslims, it is practiced in secrecy in some parts of the Middle East. The practice occurs particularly in northern Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, and Iraq, and there is also circumstantial evidence to suggest it is present in Syria, western Iran and southern Turkey.[14] In Oman a few communities still practice FGC; however, experts believed that the number of such cases was small and declining annually. In the United Arab Emirates and also Saudi Arabia, it is practiced mainly among foreign workers from East Africa and the Nile Valley.
The practice can also be found among a few ethnic groups in South America and India. In Indonesia[15] the practice is fairly common among the country's Muslim women; however, in contrast to Africa, almost all are Type I or Type IV, the latter usually involving the symbolic pricking of blood release.
Due to immigration, the practice has also spread to Europe, Australia and the United States. Some tradition-minded families have their daughters undergo FGC whilst on vacation in their home countries. As Western governments become more aware of FGC, legislation has come into effect in many countries to make the practice of FGC a criminal offense. In 2006, Khalid Adem became the first man in the United States to be prosecuted for mutilating his daughter.
Medical consequences
Among practicing cultures, FGC is most commonly performed between the ages of four and eight, but can take place at any age from infancy to adolescence. Prohibition has led to FGC going underground, at times with people who have had no medical training performing the cutting without anesthetic, sterilization, or the use of proper medical instruments. The procedure, when performed without any anesthetic, can lead to death through shock from immense pain or excessive bleeding. The failure to use sterile medical instruments may lead to infections and the spread of disease, such as HIV, especially when the same instruments are used to perform procedures on multiple women.[10]
Other serious long term health effects are also common. These include urinary and reproductive tract infections, caused by obstructed flow of urine and menstrual blood, various forms of scarring and infertility. The first time having sexual intercourse will often be extremely painful, and infibulated women will need the labia majora to be opened, to allow their husband access to the vagina. This second cut, sometimes performed by the husband with a knife, can cause other complications to arise.
The health consequences of FGC vary from region to region and from researcher to researcher. An in-depth analysis by Carla Obermeyer (2003) shows that past studies, plagued by "incomplete analysis" and "inconsistent numbers", have greatly overestimated the likelihood of serious medical complications resulting from FGC procedures (401). She notes that there is no significant statistically represented relationship between FGC and sexually transmitted diseases/infections, infertility or birth complications (402). Her study illustrates how the opposers of FGC may be relying on inadequate health data to justify their opposition, and instead more meaningful and relevant medical research needs to be conducted in order to help support the cessation of this practice.
A June 2006 study by the WHO has cast doubt on the safety of genital cutting of any kind.[29] This study was conducted on a cohort of 28,393 women attending delivery wards at 28 obstetric centers in areas of Burkina Faso, Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Senegal and The Sudan. A high proportion of these mothers had undergone FGC. According to the WHO criteria, all types of FGC were found to pose an increased risk of death to the baby (15% for Type I, 32% for Type II, and 55% for Type III). Mothers with FGC Type III were also found to be 30% more at risk for cesarean sections and had a 70% increase in postpartum hemorrhage compared to women without FGC. Estimating from these results, and doing a rough population estimate of mothers in Africa with FGC, an additional 10 to 20 per thousand babies in Africa die during delivery as a result of the mothers having undergone genital cutting.
In cases of repairing the damage resulting from FGC, called de-infibulation when reversing Type III FGC, this is usually carried out by a gynecologist. See also Pierre Foldes, French surgeon, who developed modern surgical corrective techniques.
A 12 year-old Egyptian girl, Badour Shaker, died in June, 2007 during or soon after a circumcision. She died from an overdose of anesthesia. The girl's mother, Zeniab Abdel Ghani, paid $9.00 [or 5 British pounds] to a female doctor, in an illegal clinic in the southern town of Maghagh, for the operation. The doctor tried to give her $3,000 to withdraw a lawsuit, but the mother refused.[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
CASE 2:
Falsely claiming a homosexual web site briefly mentioned in a post on homosexuality and making a big thing out of nothing is a form of lying.
Let's look first at what was said,
<<<" I never back things that Almighty God (YHWH) disapproves of like gay marriages, the acceptance of gay men, and lesbians such as Bishop Fred Hiltz of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island does. You should well know that these things violate Romans 1:21-27, "because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (ASV). Nor do I agree with the Muslims at GayEgypt of which the "The Middle East Times" says "GayEgypt.com has emerged as a key source of information and communication for the gay community in Egypt." It's a shame that the Muslim community as well as the apostate (counterfeit) Christian community tolerate such wrong doing.">>>
Clearly shows that homosexuality was being addressing, a wrong, per Romans 1:19-28, "because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature. 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. 28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;" :" (ASV), but just to distort reality the posting of this item against homosexuality brought the following lying false accusation.
<<<"Porn site on a religious form? Why?">>>.
This is AN OUTRIGHT LIE as are all false accusations.
First, let's consider what porn is:
"PORN, noun: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire [source - One Look Dictionary, ]"
"Pornography, sometimes shortened to porn or porno, is, in its broadest state, the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief. It is similar to erotica, which is the use of sexually-arousing imagery used mainly for artistic purpose. Over the past few decades, an immense industry for the production and consumption of pornography has grown, due to emergence of the VCR, the DVD, and the Internet, as well as the emergence of more tolerant social attitudes.
In general, "erotica" refers to portrayals of sexually arousing material that hold or aspire to artistic or historical merit, whereas "pornography" often connotes the prurient depiction of sexual acts, with little or no artistic value. The line between "erotica" and the term "pornography" (which is frequently considered a pejorative term) is often highly subjective. In practice, pornography can be defined merely as erotica that certain people perceive as "obscene." The definition of what one considers obscene can differ between persons, cultures and eras. This leaves legal actions by those who oppose pornography open to wide interpretation. It also provides lucrative employment for armies of lawyers, on several "sides."
Pornography may use any of a variety of media - printed literature, photos, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, or video game. However, when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction or reproduction of the act, rather than the act itself.[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, ]"
Obviously the mention of a homosexual site with respect its wrong is definitely not a portrayal of anything to arouse "erotic" responses in any one. So the accusation was nothing but AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
Second, No where on the GayEgypt site was there any "erotic" material, and the "roughest" item was only an obviously Arab man with a bare but not in any "erotic" pose that would qualify as porn. Everything was much more tame than many beaches in France.
Third, Here is what others said of the site - clearly identifying it as a homosexual site being run by members of Islam and not a porn site:
[1] Global Gayz...Gay Egypt
Today, there is only one site -- www.gayegypt.com -- left, and it is run from ... Being gay and Muslim is another conundrum for most Egyptian homosexuals. ...
www.globalgayz.com/g-egypt2.html - 69k - Cached - Similar pages
[2] [PDF]
Internet Filtering in Iran in 2004-2005 1
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Our first run of testing found blocking of 39% of sex education sites, compared with ... gayegypt.com, gay.ru, and gaytoday.badpuppy.com) as ...
[source - www.cambridge-security.net/pdf/ONI-iran-country-study.pdf]
[3] Cultural Struggle Finds Symbol in Gay Cairo
Internet sites such as GayEgypt.com had taken to describing "handsome youths" ... Gay Muslim groups in several countries have established support groups and ...
[source - www.sodomylaws.org/world/egypt/egnews49.htm]
[4] FEBRUARY 2002 - FRENCH PRESIDENT CHIRAC DENOUNCES EGYPT'S GAY ...
Already GayEgypt.com and its' satellite site Arab-Men.com are spreading the .... it was alleged that they had run an apartment for homosexual prostitution. ...
[source - www.gayegypt.com/january2002.html]
[5] Dissecting Leftism -- Large font site
Muslim against Muslim: "The latest reliable report confirms that on ...... of Terror," while the website GayEgypt.com has dubbed him the "Dr. Goebbels of ...
[source - jonjayray.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_archive.html]
[6] Prisoners of Sex
"When a Muslim dies, there is a required 30 minutes of prayer," she wrote to ... A Web site called GayEgypt.com called on Egypt's homosexuals to wear red on ...
[source - www.whrnet.org/fundamentalisms/docs/issue-prisoners-0612.html]
[7] Popular Pakistani Cross-dresser Pushing Boundaries [Archive ...
- [ Translate this page ]
Do you or others, specially our Muslim members, would like to find out if this behavior is .... Again, they run this site, they deserve to decide. ...
[source - sci.rutgers.edu/forum/archive/index.php/t-63125.html
[[Notice all those sites mention "gay" the euphemism for homosexual, not porn.]]
Fourth, Email from GayEgypt site administrator:
<<<"Many thanks for your email. re GayEgypt.com it's in large part an information site but it contains a very few photographs and a few stories which might be described as pornographic, certainly it's a website for adults 18+ only.
Please find the following links regarding essays on the Prophet Muhammad and early Islam from a Queer persepctive. The Quran, Gay Sex and the Gang Rape at Sodom. The prophet marries his former slave Zaid Ali becomes Muhammad's sleeping partner The Quraish suspect a relationship between the Prophet and his uncle The Prophet Muhammad and his relationships with older women. Why early Islam needed queer relationships. Hope that helps. Best wishes Ali Asali for GayEgypt.com .">>>
It is unquestionably a site run by members of Islam as who else would be concerned about what the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did that might be considered "gay", but Muslim "gays."
Falsely accusing one writing against homosexuality of posting porn when what was posted was a homosexual site quite in keeping with what was being written about. Of course the accusation is NOTHING BUT AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
Why do members of Islam so lie? Simple, to cover up the salient fact that members of Islam are running one of the largest homosexual sites in the world - they can not stand the truth, but must un-justly denounce the messenger or bringer of fact.
CASE 3: This poster said the following lie,
<<<"I do not lie Iris and it's not very loving of you to continously insist that I would knowingly pass on false information as a liar.>>>"
We have already seen that he tells OUTRAGEOUS LIES in CASE 1 and CASE 2, so this statement is just an OUTRIGHT LIE ITSELF.
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COMBINATION OF [1] THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2] ISLAM IS NOT CLEAN OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS SOME CLAIM, LEARN THE TRUTH: PART 1 OF 2
[1] SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 647A]
Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it. 20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. Jeremiah 6:19 – 20, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
Whereas, James 1:21 – 27 clearly shows how we must live our lives to be pleasing to Almighty God (YHWH), [AV] “Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”
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[2] ISLAM IS NOT CLEAN OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS SOME CLAIM, LEARN THE TRUTH:
They try to hide the fact that members of Islam are running one of the largest, if not the largest, homosexual sites on the web by falsely claiming a homosexual web site briefly mentioned in a post on homosexuality and making a big thing out of nothing is a form of lying.
Let's look first at what was said,
<<<" I never back things that Almighty God (YHWH) disapproves of like gay marriages, the acceptance of gay men, and lesbians such as Bishop Fred Hiltz of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island does. You should well know that these things violate Romans 1:21-27, "because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (ASV). Nor do I agree with the Muslims at GayEgypt of which the "The Middle East Times" says "GayEgypt.com has emerged as a key source of information and communication for the gay community in Egypt." It's a shame that the Muslim community as well as the apostate (counterfeit) Christian community tolerate such wrong doing.">>>
Clearly shows that homosexuality was being addressing, a wrong, per Romans 1:19-28, "because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature. 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. 28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;" :" (ASV), but just to distort reality the posting of this item against homosexuality brought the following lying false accusation.
<<<"Porn site on a religious form? Why?">>>.
This is AN OUTRIGHT LIE as are all false accusations.
First, let's consider what porn is:
"PORN, noun: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire [source - One Look Dictionary, ]"
"Pornography, sometimes shortened to porn or porno, is, in its broadest state, the explicit representation of the human body or sexual activity with the goal of sexual arousal and/or sexual relief. It is similar to erotica, which is the use of sexually-arousing imagery used mainly for artistic purpose. Over the past few decades, an immense industry for the production and consumption of pornography has grown, due to emergence of the VCR, the DVD, and the Internet, as well as the emergence of more tolerant social attitudes.
In general, "erotica" refers to portrayals of sexually arousing material that hold or aspire to artistic or historical merit, whereas "pornography" often connotes the prurient depiction of sexual acts, with little or no artistic value. The line between "erotica" and the term "pornography" (which is frequently considered a pejorative term) is often highly subjective. In practice, pornography can be defined merely as erotica that certain people perceive as "obscene." The definition of what one considers obscene can differ between persons, cultures and eras. This leaves legal actions by those who oppose pornography open to wide interpretation. It also provides lucrative employment for armies of lawyers, on several "sides."
Pornography may use any of a variety of media - printed literature, photos, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, or video game. However, when sexual acts are performed for a live audience, by definition it is not pornography, as the term applies to the depiction or reproduction of the act, rather than the act itself.[source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, ]"
Obviously the mention of a homosexual site with respect its wrong is definitely not a portrayal of anything to arouse "erotic" responses in any one. So the accusation was nothing but AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
Second, No where on the GayEgypt site was there any "erotic" material, and the "roughest" item was only an obviously Arab man with a bare but not in any "erotic" pose that would qualify as porn. Everything was much more tame than many beaches in France.
Third, Here is what others said of the site - clearly identifying it as a homosexual site being run by members of Islam and not a porn site:
[1] Global Gayz...Gay Egypt
Today, there is only one site -- www.gayegypt.com -- left, and it is run from ... Being gay and Muslim is another conundrum for most Egyptian homosexuals. ...
www.globalgayz.com/g-egypt2.html - 69k - Cached - Similar pages
[2] [PDF]
Internet Filtering in Iran in 2004-2005 1
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Our first run of testing found blocking of 39% of sex education sites, compared with ... gayegypt.com, gay.ru, and gaytoday.badpuppy.com) as ...
[source - www.cambridge-security.net/pdf/ONI-iran-country-study.pdf]
[3] Cultural Struggle Finds Symbol in Gay Cairo
Internet sites such as GayEgypt.com had taken to describing "handsome youths" ... Gay Muslim groups in several countries have established support groups and ...
[source - www.sodomylaws.org/world/egypt/egnews49.htm]
[4] FEBRUARY 2002 - FRENCH PRESIDENT CHIRAC DENOUNCES EGYPT'S GAY ...
Already GayEgypt.com and its' satellite site Arab-Men.com are spreading the .... it was alleged that they had run an apartment for homosexual prostitution. ...
[source - www.gayegypt.com/january2002.html]
[5] Dissecting Leftism -- Large font site
Muslim against Muslim: "The latest reliable report confirms that on ...... of Terror," while the website GayEgypt.com has dubbed him the "Dr. Goebbels of ...
[source - jonjayray.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_archive.html]
[6] Prisoners of Sex
"When a Muslim dies, there is a required 30 minutes of prayer," she wrote to ... A Web site called GayEgypt.com called on Egypt's homosexuals to wear red on ...
[source - www.whrnet.org/fundamentalisms/docs/issue-prisoners-0612.html]
[7] Popular Pakistani Cross-dresser Pushing Boundaries [Archive ...
- [ Translate this page ]
Do you or others, specially our Muslim members, would like to find out if this behavior is .... Again, they run this site, they deserve to decide. ...
[source - sci.rutgers.edu/forum/archive/index.php/t-63125.html
[[Notice all those sites mention "gay" the euphemism for homosexual, not porn.]]
Fourth, Email from GayEgypt site administrator:
<<<"Many thanks for your email. re GayEgypt.com it's in large part an information site but it contains a very few photographs and a few stories which might be described as pornographic, certainly it's a website for adults 18+ only.
Please find the following links regarding essays on the Prophet Muhammad and early Islam from a Queer persepctive. The Quran, Gay Sex and the Gang Rape at Sodom. The prophet marries his former slave Zaid Ali becomes Muhammad's sleeping partner The Quraish suspect a relationship between the Prophet and his uncle The Prophet Muhammad and his relationships with older women. Why early Islam needed queer relationships. Hope that helps. Best wishes Ali Asali for GayEgypt.com .">>>
It is unquestionably a site run by members of Islam as who else would be concerned about what the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did that might be considered "gay", but Muslim "gays."
Falsely accusing one writing against homosexuality of posting porn when what was posted was a homosexual site quite in keeping with what was being written about. Of course the accusation is NOTHING BUT AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
Why do members of Islam so lie? Simple, to cover up the salient fact that members of Islam are running one of the largest homosexual sites in the world - they can not stand the truth, but must un-justly denounce the messenger or bringer of fact.
Here is proof that GayEgypt.com is a homosexual site not a porn site using links sent to me by web site administrator,
Email from GayEgypt site administrator:
<<<"Many thanks for your email. re GayEgypt.com it's in large part an information site but it contains a very few photographs and a few stories which might be described as pornographic, certainly it's a website for adults 18+ only.
Please find the following links regarding essays on the Prophet Muhammad and early Islam from a Queer persepctive. The Quran, Gay Sex and the Gang Rape at Sodom. The prophet marries his former slave Zaid Ali becomes Muhammad's sleeping partner The Quraish suspect a relationship between the Prophet and his uncle The Prophet Muhammad and his relationships with older women. Why early Islam needed queer relationships. Hope that helps. Best wishes Ali Asali for GayEgypt.com .">>>
Next will be presented as separate post some of the things said by GayEgypt with all 'rough' graphics stripped out.
First item of four of some of the things said by GayEgypt with all 'rough' graphics stripped out.
[1] THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD HAS A ""GAY" PARTNERSHIP WITH HIS FORMER MAN SLAVE - ZAID
There are four bases for believing that Muhammad may have had
homoerotic relationships ( possibly "platonic" ) which were either
tolerated or accepted by his contemporaries. This chapter deals with
the first.
Perhaps the closest of Muhammad's many close male relationships, one
which predated Ali's birth, was his love for his own slave Zaid.
Khadija, the Prophet's first wife, was already forty and
independently wealthy at the time of their marriage and though
beloved by the Prophet, was well past her youth. He was some fifteen
years her junior. It was moreover Khadija, not Muhammad, who first
proposed. The offer came secretly through her trusted slave Maisara
and her beloved quickly accepted. It was a marriage to a woman of
considerable wealth and influence. A wise decision for it gave him
the time, connections and influence he needed to pursue his destiny.
And as if the circumstance of the wedding were not unusual enough in
itself, Khadija presented Muhammad with a handsome sixteen year old,
Zaid, as a wedding gift. These two young men soon became virtually
inseparable - something akin to other famous heroic homoerotic
relationships such as that of the Greek fighters Achillees and
Patroclus.
Zaid had been captured hundreds of miles to the north in or near
present day Iraq and had been bought by Khadijah's nephew in the
slave-market at Ukaz and later gifted to her.
It was some time after Khadijah in turn gifted Zaid to Muhammad that
Zaid's family discovered him at Mecca. They approached the Prophet
to beg for his return and if necessary to pay whatever ransom he
might demand. Clearly they really loved him for they had travelled a
long and dangerous route across the Arabian desert to find him.
But when asked by Muhammad, what he wanted to do, Zaid announced to
his astonished family that there was no one with whom he would
rather be than Muhammad.
"I would not choose any man in preference to Muhammad. He is to me
both a father and a mother."
His real father, who had travelled hundreds of miles to rescue his
son, thought his boy had lost his sanity.
"You mean you will chose slavery above freedom, and above your
father and your uncle and your family ?"
But Zaid insisted he wanted to remain with Muhammad who now
intervened to terminate the painful quarrel. Walking with Zaid to
the Kaaba, even then the most sacred spot in Mecca, he announced
loudly, so that all could hear, that
"All who hear this, bear witness, that Zayd is now my son. He is my
heir and I am his."
But there is another even more astonishing twist to the story of
their relationship. When the prophet was in his fifties, Muhammad
decided to marry Zaid's wife Zainab bint Jahash. But his decision
seems to have been motivated by Zaid's own unhappinness with the
marriage and not by any Caligula like obsession with another man's
wife. Zaid was always much more close to Muhammad than to his wife
Zainab, and had only married her reluctantly.
Nevertheless, if it is really true that Muhammad had earlier
pronounced Zaid to be his son in front of the Kaaba, he was now
marrying his daughter-in-law - an unthinkable scandal even in
pre-Islamic Arabia. This would never have been accepted by his
followers.
A more credible explanation is that Muhammad, in that moment of
great emotional turmoil when Zaid had, perhaps against Muhammad's
own expectations, chosen him over his own family, decided to make a
very public declaration of his love for Zaid. It is probable that he
never mentioned the word "son" in the declaration but only that Zaid
would be his heir and he Zaid's - in effect announcing that they
were just as close as man and wife. Later, however, Muhammad's
biographers chose to cover this up by declaring that Muhammad had
actually adopted Zaid as his "son."
In later years, Zaid's loyalty and bravery was to prove invaluable
to both the Prophet and the success of Islam, especailly after the
death of Muhammad's wife, Khadija, and his influential Uncle, Abu
Talib.
On one ocassion he accompanied Muhammad by foot across the desert to
Taif, an impressive achievement for the Prophet who was by then
fifty and well past his peak of fitness. But there was a cool
reception for the tired party. Crowds pelted the unwelcome new
preacher with stones and Zaid had to grab and shield the Prophet
with his own body.
Soon afterwards Zaid became the first general to be appointed in
Muhammad's new army of Islam and died bravely leading a small force
against a vast Byzantime army at the battle of Moota in the year 8AH
(630). Muhammad's youngest wife Aisha was sure that had he not died
the Prophet would have appointed his former slaveboy as his
successor.
The wife of one of the Prophet's companions related that Muhammad's
appearance, on hearing the news of Zaid's death, changed completely
and that "a veil of sadness" descended. The Prophet's only
consolation was that his beloved Zaid had died a martyr and he told
those who came to console him not to worry.
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