COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]   ISLAM IS NOT CLEAN OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS SOME CLAIM, LEARN THE TRUTH:  PART 2
 
[1]       SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 648A]
 
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.  5  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.  6  Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.  7  How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.  8  Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.  Revelation 18:4 – 8, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
In ancient times, Almighty God (YHWH) had His prophet Micah give warning of a future judgment for all of mankind at Micah 3:8 – 12, [AV] “But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.  9  Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.  10  They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.  11  The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.  12  Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.”
 
And Jude at Jude 4 warns of evil men creeping into the Christian faith, [AV] “4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”  He goes on to inform us of the fact that they are reserved up for judgment at Jude 5 – 7, [AV] “I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6  And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
 
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[2]        PART 2 OF ISLAM IS NOT CLEAN OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS SOME CLAIM, LEARN THE TRUTH:
"I see Zaid on a golden bed in Paradise."
 
It is intriguing that in the Quran ( The Believers 023.005 - 023.006
) we read that Allah asks men to guard their modesty from all except
their wives and their slaves. A sexual relationship with a slave
such as Zaid would not have been seen as a sin like adultery as it
posed no threat to a marriage. However, we might speculate that once
Muhammad declared Zaid as his heir and implicitly freeing him from
slavery, then any sexual relationship would have had to have been
either terminated or in the unlikely event of it continuing, then it
would have had to have been well hidden from wider society.
 
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Second item of four of some of the things said by GayEgypt with all 'rough' graphics stripped out.
 
[2] MUHAMMAD'S COUSIN ALI IS HIS CONSTANT COMPANION AND SLEEPING PARTNER.
 
Two unknown lovers (left) are from a work typical of the Islamic
Mughal Empire. Ali probably shared a bed with the Prophet from his
late teens but there is no evidence of sexual intimacy, though it's
a little naive to imagine nothing ever happened. As one historian
wrote " [Muhammad] often made [Ali] sleep by his side, and Ali
enjoyed the warmth of Muhammad's body and inhaled the holy fragrance
of his breath." Indeed, there is not one of Muhammad's fifteen wives
who continuously shared the same living quarters with the prophet
for as long as Ali. From his youth, until the prophet's death, Ali
was always living either in the prophet's home or in an adjacent
apartment.
 
This chapter looks at the second reason we have for thinking that
the Prophet Muhammad may have been queer. It is his relationship
with young men and in particular his bond with Ali which was
arguably the most important in the Prophet's life. It was certainly
more intense and longer lasting than any of his ten marriages.
 
( This relationship takes place years after the Prophet Muhammad's
marriage to his man slave Zaid - see previous chapter. )
 
The prophet surrounded himself mostly, though there were a few
notable exceptions, with young male converts. Indeed, most of them
were much younger than him; men in their teens and early twenties.
This is intriguing. More mature men would have given his movement
much greater respect by virtue of their seniority. But by courting
almost exclusively the companionship of younger men Muhammad
deepened the suspicions of their parents and elder kinsmen. He also
embarrassed and alienated the city elders and even many of his own
companions in both Mecca and Yathrib [ Medina ].
 
For instance, late in his life, Muhammad was often seen in the
company of Usama ibn Zaid, his former servant's son. Sometimes they
even shared a camel together, Usama mounted behind. But Muhammad's
companions were astonished when he appointed this teenager ( he was
then just eighteen years old ) to head an expedition against Syria
in 10AH ( 632AD ). The planned campaign was considered so difficult
that only the original muhajirin and ansar were employed and these
veteran soldiers were severely critical of the Prophet for placing
them under the command of an inexperienced and beardless youth.
Muhammad responded that
 
"Your criticism of his leadership is just like your earlier
criticism of his father's appointment to command. Yet it was God who
gave his father all the qualities necessary to command and he was
one of my dearest and closest companions. His son is also someone I
love dearly." [ Ibn Kathir ]
 
Not surprisingly little is written about what happened to the
expedition beyond the claim that it returned with a few prisoners
taken from a Red Sea port.
 
There are also many examples from more everyday events. In one
instance ten years before, when the fifty two year old Messenger of
God first arrived in Yathrib, after his narrow and arduous escape
from his assassins in Mecca, he chose to place both himself and his
baggage in the care of a young man - Khalid ibn Zaid. This seems to
have frustrated many of his older followers who insisted he stay
with them. Muhammad struggled a little to justify his decision,
responding somewhat feebly that "A man should never be separated
from his baggage."
 
A few weeks earlier, it was a group of Meccan elders who had plotted
Muhammad's murder. Not only had Muhammad been denouncing their gods
but several of them had "lost" younger members of their families to
Muhammad's new faith.
 
The sheiks hired cutthroats to burst into Muhammad's appartment late
one night. The assassins discovered his twenty three year old
beloved cousin, Ali, lying on the prophet's bed. Muhammad himself
had disappeared just a few hours earlier.
 
Historians claim that Ali was sleeping in the Prophet's bed as part
of a deliberate ploy to buy time. Muhammad's enemies, who were known
to be observing the house, would be deceived. They would, it was
hoped, peer in through a window and see Ali and assume, naturally
enough, that it was Muhammad asleep.
 
Though this could be an explanation, it is surprising that Muhammad
should have chosen a man less than half his age to play his double,
especially as it would have put his nephew at risk. As a relative
and as Muhammad's most trusted follower, Ali might easily have been
killed by less discriminating assassins. Especially since his
father, Muhammad's uncle Abu Talib, had recently died and therefore
any threat of retribution would have been greatly reduced.
 
As a decoy Abu Talib's youngest son was also a poor choice. Ali was
a strikingly handsome youth who would not easily have been mistaken
for the middle aged prophet. He was muscular and broad shouldered
with a straight nose and a beautifully formed mouth. The prophet
himself confessed that
 
"Looking upon Ali is worship," [ Ibn Asakir on the authority of
Caliph Abubakr ] and that "Ali would appear [even] to the dwellers
of paradise as a morning star." [Sawai'q muhari'qa.]
 
But let us return to the scene which greeted the assassins. The idea
that Ali was lying in Muhammad's bed as a "decoy" seems a little far
fetched. Moreover it ignores the fact that Muhammad frequently
shared a bed with Ali. As one historian wrote -
 
"He [Muhammad] often made [Ali] sleep by his side, and Ali enjoyed
the warmth of Muhammad's body and inhaled the holy fragrance of his
breath."
 
Indeed, there is not one of Muhammad's ten wives who continuously
shared the same living quarters with the prophet for as long as Ali.
From his youth, until the prophet's death, Ali was always living
either in the prophet's home or in an adjacent apartment.
 
Enjoying such a close and continuous proximity to the Prophet and
quickly aquiring an authority above those much older than himself,
Ali soon provoked jealousy and anger among some of the Prophet's
companions. On several ocassions Muhammad had to warn his followers
against any inclination to conspire against the young man.
 
Just after completing what was to be his final pilgrimmage in 632,
at a place called Ghadir Khumm on the road between Mecca and Medina,
Muhammad addressed an assembled crowd of many thousands. Holding
Ali's hand and raising it high, he declared that "Anyone whose
Guardian I have been has Ali as his Guardian. Oh God protect anyone
who protects him and opose anyone who opposes him. Ali is of me and
I am of him," and according to one source [ Ibn Abu Bukayr ] even
told his listeners that "No one settles debts on my behalf except
myself or Ali." Clearly the Prophet wanted to make everyone aware
not only that there was no one he trusted as much as Ali, but that
he and Ali were so close spiritually that he thought of Ali and
himself as a single spirit occupying two bodies.
 
When, only a few months later, Muhammad died, it was in the arms of
Ali. It was Ali who emerged from under a blanket, which covered them
both, to announce that the Prophet was dead.
 
It is not surprising that some of Muhammad's followers suspected
that there was more to this relationship than mere bonds of
friendship and cousinly kinship. One such instance occurred during
the siege of Tayef which occupied a strategic position some sixty
miles to the south east of Mecca.
 
Ali was returning from an expedition into the surrounding
countryside. Muhammad greeted him effusively and they both
dissappeared into Muhammad's quarters. The prophet didn't allow
anyone to enter and as hour succeeded hour, those outside began to
wonder what was happening and murmur among themselves. When Muhammad
finally emerged they challenged him, but the prophet explained to
his somewhat incredulous listeners that
 
"God himself had inspired Ali with Divine Secrets, and that it was
for this reason that he was engaged in confidential discourse so
long."
 
Muhammad managed a more convincing eloquence when he confessed his
love for his younger cousin.
 
"Ali and I, fourteen thousand years before the creation of mankind,
were one light. When Allah created Adam, he split this light into
two, one of which I am and the other is Ali." [Salman]
 
This romantic vision of the past and present is fascinatingly
similar to that described a thousand years earlier by Plato when he
attempted to explain the origin of homosexuality. In Plato's
Symposium the reason for the power of all love, heterosexual and
homosexual, is the need to be reunited with one's "other half." At
the beginning of mankind each person was composed of two halfs -
either male-male, female-female or male-female - until the gods cut
them all into two; thereby creating the powerful desire to be
reunited, manifesting itself in either heterosexual or homoerotic
desire.
 
Though Muhammad adored Ali as his "other half," he did not try to
stop his beloved when Ali asked his permission to marry a woman.
It's not clear, however, whether Ali's desire to tie the knot was
motivated more by his love for his bride to be or his love for
Muhammad, for when he finally married, of all the possible partners
he might have chosen, he chose Fatima, the Prophet's daughter. The
balance of probability is that the marriage was born out of
formality rather than infatuation, and was designed as a ritualistic
cement for Muhammad's and Ali's long-standing, but still passionate,
partnership.
 
The marriage, though it involved close relatives, did not offend
Quraishi values and similarly the discreet homoerotic union between
Muhammad and his beloved cousin Ali did not bring either the Prophet
or Ali [who later became Caliph] into any disrepute.
 
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Third item of four of some of the things said by GayEgypt with all 'rough' graphics stripped out.
 
[3] THE QURAISH SUSPECTED A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PROPHET AND HIS OWN UNCLE.
 
The third reason we have for supposing that the Prophet Muhammad was
queer is the unusual fondness of his uncle Abu Talib [ who never
converted to Islam ] for the prophet which seems to have been
regarded by others in the Quraish as homoerotic.
 
Though there is no evidence of any physical relationship, Muhammad
was more than willing to rely continuously on his Uncle's protection
and seems to have held a great and strong affection for him. Nothing
surprising in that.
 
But when the Meccan elders challenged Abu Talib, who by virtue of
kinship acted as Muhammad's protector, and requested him to
relinquish his protection of his nephew who so mocked their religion
and practices, they offered him another man "as a son" - who they
claimed was the most handsome man of all the Quraish. In other words
Mecca's sheikhs who had for years been in daily contact with Abu
Talib, himself a senior and respected elder among the Quraish, felt
they had a chance of convincing the man to turn a blind eye to his
own nephew's assassination in return for the gift of the city's most
handsome young man !
 
There seems a strong hint here that this was an attachment which
others, rightly or wrongly, thought was homoerotic. Otherwise, why
did they make Abu Talib such an offer ? There's no indication,
however, that Muhammad reciprocated in any physical way. But Abu
Talib's high status in Mecca and the deference, atleast until his
death, which Muhammad's enemies showed the man in respecting his
publicly proclaimed protection of the Prophet, suggests that a
"homoerotic" inclination, even if well-known, was no hindrance to
social status. And this may explain how the Prophet himself was
later able to win so much deep respect and admiration, despite his
sexual orientation.
 
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Fourth item of four of some of the things said by GayEgypt with all 'rough' graphics stripped out.
 
[4] WHY EARLY ISLAM NEEDED QUEER RELATIONSHIPS.
 
EXPLAINING THE EARLY ISLAMIC TOLERANCE OF SAME-SEX SEXUALITY - OR
HOW BOTH "QUEER"* RELATIONSHIPS AND "QUEER"* MEN WERE VITAL TO
ISLAM'S EARLY SURVIVAL
 
There were few laws to protect the individual in sixth century
Arabia from assault, theft, abduction or other crimes. Free men
depended on their relatives, and slaves on their slave masters for
protection.
 
Unfortunately the followers of Islam, by rejecting the traditional
Meccan polytheist religion, often found themselves alone. Father was
divided from son, brother from brother, nephew from uncle. Those
Muhajirin ( emmigrants ) who followed the Prophet to Medina found
themselves separated from their families spiritually by their new
faith and physically by the very real divide of the desert. The
distance between the two cities being some fourteen days by camel.
 
Many of the young Muhajirin could not look to older influential
family relatives for protection. For them it was essential to bond
closely with another man. And many of them announced publicly ties
of "brotherhood" with their chosen "companions". Even Muhammad, soon
after arriving in Medina, announced that Ali was to be considered as
his brother - even though he was infact a cousin. But he was an
exception. Most others made partnerships with men who were not
otherwise related by blood.
 
The new Islamic society born in Medina was, like the Spartans of
ancient Greece, a highly militaristic one. Not only was there a very
real threat of attack from the majority of Meccans who still
rejected Islam and who were suspicious about Muhammad's long term
aims, but the necessities of economic survival also required
Muhammad to launch piratic attacks against traders from Mecca and
other "unfriendly" tribes.
 
The size of Muhammad's military expeditions were small, generally
much smaller than those of his enemies. With hand to hand combat
always the crucial aspect of any battle, the loyalty of one's
immediate companions was vital. As with the outnumbered Spartans
whose army of three hundred gay lovers fought with legendary courage
and self-sacrifice against the Persian army at Thermopylae in 480BC,
there is considerable evidence that Muhammad's soldiers also fought
in pairs. With other Arabian tribal armies this might have meant two
brothers fighting together or perhaps a freed man alongside his
former master.
 
The battles of early Islam, however, witnessed brother opposing
brother, nephew battling uncle ( Ali ibn Abu Talib famously faced
his uncle Amr ibn Abd Wudd in a duel during the siege of Medina )
and sometimes slaves fighting their former masters. So, the only
real options were bonds built from either deep friendship or love.
 
It would be fanciful to assume that either of these types of bonding
existed entirely without the other. Certainly we know that the
camaraderie was intense and that Muhammad often gave instructions
for soldiers to be buried in pairs. According to Ibn Kathir "he
would join in the same grave two men who had been close friends."
The symbolism of such joint burials suggests that these friendships
were far stronger and deeper than the camaraderie of the modern
parade ground and it is difficult to refuse the notion that many of
these men could have been lovers.
 
This must have been especially true as Muhammad's armies were
comprised predominantly of youths and young men whose enthusiasm,
ocassionally bordering on the reckless, played a roll in both
Muhammad's military successes such as at Badr and in some costly
mistakes, such as at Uhud when many of the Muhajirin were too
impatient to attack.
 
It was an extremely youthful army by any historical standard. Boys
could become soldiers once they turned fifteen. The polytheist
Meccans were contemptuous of Muhammad's recruits, dismissing them as
"young gazelles." The Prophet's young soldiers in turn ridiculed
their Meccan opponents as "bald old women like camels bound for
sacrifice."
 
Any military man knows that at such a young age attachments with
other young men in the face of extreme danger often borders on the
homoerotic and almost inevitably on a friendship deeper than that of
most marital love. It seems likely that in such circumstances,
homoerotic relationships would have been tolerated as an accepted,
even indispensable aspect, of a tightly knit military society.
 
While such homoerotic relationships were vital to early Islam's
political and military survival, they did not preclude those
involved marrying women and setting up a family as soon as the
opportunity arose. In fact many such men may have been bisexual or
even heterosexual to the extent that they may have prefered women as
sexual partners given the freedom to chose. However there is also
evidence that individuals who we would now call "gay" and who showed
no signs of sexual attraction towards women, also played a
significant role in early Islam.
 
The prophet himself relied on eunuchs or mukhannathun, men who
lacked heterosexual desires, to guard his own harem. There is no
evidence that these men were usually castrated although this became
normal practise in later Islamic history. However it seems that at
the time of the Prophet most were considered to be mukhannathun by
nature. Muhammad himself told one man that it was not up to him or
any man, but to God, to decide who was and who was not a eunuch,
reminding him that " the ink is already dry. So be a eunuch for that
reason or leave it alone." [ ya Aba Horairata, jaffa al-qalam bimaa
anta laaq fa'akhtasi 'alaa dhalika au dhar ] ( Bukhari, LXII 8 ).
 
Muhammad gave such men a unique freedom. They were allowed into such
normally private spaces where another man's wife might be unveilled
but they were also allowed, like other men, to enter the "men only"
sections of the mosque.
 
This special place for eunuchs in society is recognized in the Quran
-
 
" Tell all believing women to lower their eyes, and maintain their
chastity. They should never reveal any part of their body, except as
absolutely necessary. They should cover their chests, and should
maintain this modesty in the presence of anyone other than their
....[ immediate family members ]..., children, other women and male
employees who lack the normal defining traits of men [ ie men who
lack heterosexual desires ]." ( Surah 24:31 )
 
Only if, as happened in one notorious instance, the mukhannath was
exposed as a pretender secretly harbouring heterosexual desires,
could he be deprived of such privileges. Ibn `Abd al-Barr, refering
to an account related by A`isha, the Prophet`s wife, declared that
"the Prophet did not prevent that mukhannath from being in the
company of his own wives until he heard him describing the daughter
of Ghaylaan and realized that he knew too much about women. Only
then did he issue instructions that the man be barred from being in
the company of his wives."
 
The mukhannathun were highly valued as household servants and as
arrangers of marriages. Since they were the only men allowed into
close proximity of women regardless of whether or not such women
were family members, they alone could act unhindered as messengers
carrying proposals from one private space to another.
 
They were also given the exclusive right of appointment to certain
prestigious positions banned to other men. We know, for instance,
that atleast as far back as the twelth century, that it was only
mukhannathun who were allowed to guard the prophet's grave. A
tradition that was maintained until the end of Ottoman rule in the
twentieth century.
 
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COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]    Treatment of Daughters by Members of Islam:
 
[1]     SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 650A]
 
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.  12  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?  13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.  14  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:  John 3:11 – 14, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
And as was recorded in Psalms 119:66 - 68, [AV] “Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments.  67 Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.  68  Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.”  At this time the Hebrews were Almighty God (YHWH) chosen people due to his covenant with their forefather Abraham, yet they proved to be a stiff-necked people per Exodus 33:1 – 6, [AV] “And the LORD said unto Moses, Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it:  2  And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:  3  Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.  4  And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.  5  For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.  6  And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb.” 
 
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[2]       Treatment of Daughters by Members of Islam:
 
It is unconscionable how many in Islam treat daughters:
 
CASE 1:
 
Egypt outlaws all female circumcision 2 hours, 17 minutes ago [6/28/2007]
 
 
CAIRO (AFP) - Egypt on Thursday finally banned all female circumcision, the
widely-practised removal of the clitoris which just days ago cost the life of a
12-year-old girl.
 
Officially the practice, which affects Muslim women in Egypt and goes back to the time of the pharoahs, [[Moslems adapted a horrible practice of pagans yet untruthfully claim they are not heathens, strange]] was banned in 1997 but doctors were allowed to operate "in exceptional cases".
 
On Thursday, Health Minister Hatem al-Gabali decided to ban every doctor and
member of the medical profession, in public or private establishments, from
carrying out a clitoridectomy, a ministry press official told AFP.
Any circumcision "will be viewed as a violation of the law and all
contraventions will be punished," said the official, adding that it was a
"permanent ban".
 
A survey in 2000 said the practice was carried out on 97 percent of the
country's women.
 
In the latest fatality, 12-year-old Bedur Ahmed Shaker was taken by her mother
to a private clinic in Minya, a town on the Nile south of Cairo, for the
operation. She died before she could be transferred to hospital.
Her mother accused the woman doctor of negligence, charging that her daughter's
death was linked to the anaesthetic and not the removal of the clitoris, for
which she had paid 50 pounds (nearly nine dollars). Police have arrested both
women.
 
There is no excuse for this horrible heathen crime against nature.    Here is a brief exert on how terrible it really is,
<<<"Excision refers to clitoridectomy (removal of the prepuce and the clitoris) plus the partial or total removal of the labia minora, the inner lips of the vulva, see Diagram 1C. Type II circumcision is a more extensive form of FGC compared to Type I and due to the sewing together of the leftover labia minora epidermis, which contains sweat glands, a buildup of sweat and urine in the closed off space beneath this closure can lead to local or urinary infection, septicemia, hemorrhaging and cyst formation.[10] This type of FGC is also called khafd, meaning reduction in Arabic....
 
And,
 
Other serious long term health effects are also common. These include urinary and reproductive tract infections, caused by obstructed flow of urine and menstrual blood, various forms of scarring and infertility. The first time having sexual intercourse will often be extremely painful, and infibulated women will need the labia majora to be opened, to allow their husband access to the girl thingy. This second cut, sometimes performed by the husband with a knife, can cause other complications to arise.">>>
 
Yet members of Islam defend this horrible heathen crime against nature that they received from paganism much as do some apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians defend the pagan teachings of the Trinity and Christmas they got from heathen pagans.   Let's look at an actual defending of it by a member of Islam and the counter to it.
<<<"[[4]]How do you know true christians don't do this? Is there anything in your bible that forbids this practice?
[[1]]What about for a girl who is deformed down there and has a need for this precedure? Is it wrong for her to have it as well?
[[2]]Do you realize that women who live in very hot climates like Africa, experience swelling in that area, making this type of operation necessary for them to live a normal life?
[[3]]I have never said that muslims around the world do not have cultural practices that have little or nothing to do with Islam.... it doesn't make it wrong or right based on that alone though.">>>
 
Now let's look past these lies and false accusations at the truth:
 
FIRST [[1]], There is no medical need for this procedure. The following article from an encyclopedia will clearly show this and the fact that it is bad for a women's health. Saying there are medical reasons for same is nothing but AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
 
SECOND [[2]], Your saying that,
 
<<<"in very hot climates like Africa, experience swelling in that area, making this type of operation necessary for them to live a normal life?">>>
 
Is AN OUTRIGHT LIE in no way backed by medical knowledge, see article below.
 
THIRD [[3]], You refuse to accept that many members of Islam practice this heathen horrible sex crime against young girls.
 
Is AN OUTRIGHT REJECTION OF REALITY which goes completely against the principles of education, learning, and the truth.
 
FOURTH [[4]], Genuine (true) followers do not practice this heathen horrible sex crime against young girls. The statement,
 
<<<" How do you know true christians don't do this? Is there anything in your bible that forbids this practice?">>>
 
Is nothing but a deceptive question similar to the one used by Satan the Devil in the Garden of Eden, AN OUTRIGHT LIE in the form of a question.
 
CASE 2:
 
An actual case, one of many, reported by Kevin Sites a most reliable reporter, Kevin Sites in the Hot Zone is news reporting for the new millennium - a nexus of backpack journalism, narrative story-telling techniques, and the Internet, designed to reach a global audience hungry for information.
His mission, to cover every armed conflict* in the world within one year, and in doing so to provide a clear idea of the combatants, victims, causes, and costs of each of these struggles - and their global impact. With honest, thoughtful reporting we'll strive to establish Kevin Sites in the Hot Zone as a forum for information and involvement. Users will not only learn about the scope of world conflict, but will find ways to be part of the solutions- through dialogue, debate, and avenues for action.
 
<<<"KABUL, Afghanistan - Eleven-year old Gulsoma lay in a heap on the ground in front of her father-in-law. He told her that if she didn't find a missing watch by the next morning he would kill her. He almost had already. Enraged about the missing watch, Gulsoma's father-in-law had beaten her repeatedly with a stick. She was bleeding from wounds all over her body and her right arm and right foot had been broken.
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Child Bride
Posted by Kevin Sites
on Mon, Mar 20 2006, 6:51 PM ET
 
Married at the age of four, an Afghan girl was subjected to years of beatings and torture, finally escaping to discover that within all the world's cruelty, there is also some kindness.
 
When I meet her at the Ministry of Women's Affairs I'm surprised that the little girl, now 12, is the same one that had endured such horrible suffering. She is wearing a red baseball cap and an orange scarf. She has beautiful brown eyes and a full and animated smile. She takes one of my hands in both of hers and greets me warmly, without any hint of shyness.
 
"She looks healthy," says Haroon, my friend and translator. I nod. But she looks older than her years, we both agree. In orphanages - first in Kandahar, then in Kabul - she has had a year to recover from a lifetime's worth of unimaginable imprisonment, deprivation and torture.
 
In one of the ministry's offices she sits in a straight-backed wooden chair and tells us the story of her life so far. She is stoic for the most part, pausing only a few times to wipe her eyes and nose with her scarf.
 
Her story begins in the village of Mullah Allam Akhound, near Kandahar.
 
"When I was three years old my father died, and after a year my mother married again, but her second husband didn't want me," says Gulsoma. "So my mother gave me away in a promise of marriage to our neighbor's oldest son, who was thirty."
 
"They had a ceremony in which I was placed on a horse [which is traditional in Afghanistan] and given to the man."
 
Because she was still a child, the marriage was not expected to be sexually consummated. But within a year, Gulsoma learned that so much else would be required of her that she would become a virtual slave in the household.
 
At the age of five, she was forced to take care of not only her "husband" but also his parents and all 12 of their other children as well.
 
Though nearly the entire family participated in the abuse, her father-in-law, she says, was the cruelest.
 
"My father-in-law asked me to do everything - laundry, the household chores - and the only time I was able to sleep in the house was when they had guests over," she says. "Other than that I would have to sleep outside on a piece of carpet without even any blankets. In the summer it was okay. But in the winter a neighbor would come over and give me a blanket, and sometimes some food."
 
When she couldn't keep up with the workload, Gulsoma says, she was beaten constantly.
 
Gulsoma's scars
 
"They beat me with electric wires," she says, "mostly on the legs. My father-in-law told his other children to do it that way so the injuries would be hidden. He said to them, 'break her bones, but don't hit her on the face.'"
 
There were even times when the family's abuse of Gulsoma transcended the bounds of the most wanton, sadistic cruelty, as on the occasions when they used her as a human tabletop, forcing her to lie on her stomach then cutting their food on her bare back.
 
Gulsoma says the family had one boy her age, named Atiqullah, who refused to take part in her torture.
 
"He would sneak me food sometimes and when my mother-in-law told him to find a stick to beat me, he would come back say he couldn't find one," she says. "He would try to stop the others sometimes. He would say 'she is my sister, and this is sinful.' Sometimes I think about him and wish he could be here and I wish I could have him as my brother."
 
One evening, Gulsoma says, when her father-in-law saw the neighbor giving her food and a blanket, he took them away and beat her mercilessly. Then, she says, he locked her in a shed for two months.
 
"I would be kept there all day," she says, "then at night they would let me go the bathroom and I would be fed one time each day. Most of the time it was only bread and sometimes some beans."
 
She says every day she was locked in the shed, she wished and prayed that her parents would come and take her away. Then she would remember that her father was dead and her mother was gone.
 
But Gulsoma had an inner strength even her father-in-law couldn't comprehend.
 
"When he came to the shed he kept asking me, 'Why don't you die? I imprisoned you, I give you less food, but still you don't die.'"
 
But it wasn't for lack of trying. Gulsoma said when her father-in-law finally let her out of the shed, he bound her hands behind her back and beat her unconscious. She says he revived her by pouring a tea thermos filling with scalding water over her head and her back.
 
"It was so painful," she says, dabbing her eyes with her scarf and sniffling for a moment. "I was crying and screaming the entire time."
 
Five days later, she says, her father in law gave her a vicious beating when his daughter's wristwatch went missing.
 
"He thought I stole it," she says, "and he beat me all over my body with his stick. He broke my arm and my foot. He said if I didn't find it by the next day, he would kill me."
 
She crawled away that night and hid under a rickshaw.  When the rickshaw driver found Gulsoma, broken and bleeding, he listened to her story and took her to the police. She was hospitalized immediately.
 
"The doctor at the hospital who treated me said, 'I wish I could take you to the village square and show all the people what happened to you, so no one would ever do something like this again,'" Gulsoma says.
 
It took her a full month to recover from her last beating. But the fear and psychological trauma may never go away.
 
"I was happy to have a bed and food at the hospital," she says. "But I was thinking that when I get better they will give me back to the family."
 
However, Gulsoma says when the police questioned the family, the father-in-law lied and tried to tell them she had epilepsy and had fallen down and hurt herself. But the neighbor who had helped Gulsoma confirmed the story of her beatings and torture.
 
The police arrested her father-in-law and "husband." They told her, she says, they would keep them in jail unless she asked for their release.
 
"Everyone was crying when they heard my story," Gulsoma says.
 
Gulsoma says she stayed at an orphanage in Kandahar, but was the only girl in the facility. Eventually, her story was brought to the attention of the Ministry of Women's Affairs.
 
The toll of torture
 
Gulsoma was then brought to a Kabul orphanage, where she lives today. She takes off her baseball cap and shows us a bald spot, almost like a medieval monk's tonsure, on the crown of her head where she was scalded.
 
She then turns her back and raises her shirt to reveal a sad map of scar tissue and keloids from cuts, bruises and the boiling water.
 
Haroon and I look at each other with disbelief. Her life's tragic story is etched upon her back.
 
Yet she continues to smile. She doesn't ask for pity. She seems more concerned about us as she reads the shock on our faces.
 
"I feel better now," she says. "I have friends at the orphanage. But every night I'm still afraid the family will come here and pick me up."
 
Gulsoma also says that when the sun goes down, she sometimes begins to shiver involuntarily - a reaction to the seven years of sleeping outdoors, sometimes in the bitter cold of the desert night.
 
She says she believes there are other girls like her in Kandahar, maybe elsewhere in Afghanistan, and that she wants to study human rights and one day go back to help them.
 
As we walk outside to take some pictures, I ask her if, after all she's been through, she thinks it will be harder to trust, to believe that there are actually good people in the world.
 
"No," she says, quickly.
 
"I didn't expect anyone would help me but God. I was really surprised that there were also nice people: the neighbor, the rickshaw driver, the police," she says. "I pray for those who helped release me."
 
Looking directly into the camera, she smiles as if nothing bad had ever happened to her in her entire life.
 
"I think that all people are good people," she says, "except for those that hurt me."
 
SUPPORT GULSOMA
 
To learn more about how you can help Gulsoma and other children in need in Afghanistan, click here, http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs3046?rf=248, http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs3046 ">>>
 
But child brides are nothing new for Islam.  Even their founder had a child bride of 6 years old and consummated it when she was just 9 years old - at the first bleed.  Her name was Aisha.
 
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COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]    Exercise of Prudence is NOT Bigotry, but Learned Discretion:
 
[1]       SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 652A
 
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.  Galatians 5:22 – 23, [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
To develop these, it would be wise to follow Jesus (Yeshua) counsel that we should prey  for then, and he assures us per Luke 11:13, [AV]  “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” 
 
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[2]       Exercise of Prudence is NOT Bigotry, but Learned Discretion:
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
In life, one must exercise prudence and treat situations and/or people and/or animals with circumspection if they have proved disadvantageous and/or dangerous in the past. This is not bigotry which is a showing of strong partiality to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ; whereas, prudence is based on learned experience and is essential for avoiding dangerous situations and/or people and/or animals in the future. Of course this will lead to one's holding something to be dangerous that is similar to what proved dangerous in the past even if it is NOT DANGEROUS.
 
Let's look at some illustrations:
 
Situation #1 = For an example, once many people are bitten by a dog, they treat all dogs for ever more with suspicion, best be safe first rather than sorry. Now of course all dogs are not dangerous, but based on past bad experience, many feel it is prudent or circumspect to treat all dogs as dangerous until proven otherwise - guilty until proven innocent. This is an psychological aspect of mankind that is built into his psyche as a measure to protect him/her from harm.
 
Situation #2 = For example, many mushrooms are safe to eat, but others are highly poisonous. Now the prudent thing to do when one is not sure of the safety of any particular mushroom is to not eat it until it has been proven none poisonous - treat it as guilty until proven innocent.
 
Situation #3 = For example, there are many evil people in the world who will do you harm. If a neighborhood or group have individuals that have proved dangerous in the past such as crime infested areas, it is the prudent thing to avoid both these neighborhoods and/or groups until they are proven otherwise - treat as guilty until proven innocent.
 
TRUST MUST BE EARNED BUT CAN EASILY BE DESTROYED:
 
Situation # 1, In Cherry Hill, N.J. lived a well respected Albanian Muslim family who ran a roofing business and a pizzeria and to all outward appearances were normal individuals. The family members delivered pizzas to many locations in fort Dix and were never regarded with any suspicion. They had earned the trust of the community with their good behavior and were NOT discriminated against because they were Muslim.
 
However, they did NOT live up to the trust that had been given to them as shown by their secretly plotting to murder many individuals as follows:
 
<<<"Sylwia Kapuscinski for The New York Times [5/8/2007],
 
CAMDEN, N.J., May 8 -Six Muslim men from New Jersey and Philadelphia were charged Tuesday with plotting to attack Fort Dix with automatic weapons and possibly even rocket-propelled grenades, vowing in taped conversations "to kill as many soldiers as possible," federal authorities said.
 
The arrests came after a 15-month investigation during which the F.B.I. and two informers who had infiltrated the group taped them training with automatic weapons in rural Pennsylvania, conducting surveillance of military bases in the Northeast, watching videos of Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers and trying to buy AK-47 assault rifles.
The authorities described the suspects as Islamic extremists and say they represent the newest breed of threat: loosely organized domestic militants unconnected to - but inspired by - Al Qaeda or other international terror groups.
The suspects include three ethnic Albanian brothers who entered the United States illegally, part of a family that has lived for years in Cherry Hill, N.J., where they attended public schools and ran a roofing business and a pizzeria. They were joined by a brother-in-law, who was born in Jordan and is a United States citizen, and two other legal United states residents: an ethnic Albanian from the former Yugoslavia, and a Turk who lived in Philadelphia.
The men, ages 22 to 28, held jobs ranging from roofing to driving a cab to delivering pizza, and had no clear motivation other than their stated desire to kill United States soldiers in the name of Islam. They considered a variety of targets, including the annual Army-Navy football game and warships docked in the Port of Philadelphia, but ultimately dismissed Dover Air Force Base in Delaware as having too much security and picked Fort Dix largely because one of their fathers owned a restaurant nearby that delivered to the base.
The authorities first caught up with the men in January 2006, when personnel at a video store alerted the authorities after the suspects requested that he transfer onto a DVD a videotape of the group shouting about jihad as they fired assault weapons at a range in the Pocono Mountains.
"This is a new brand of terrorism where a small cell of people can bring enormous devastation," Christopher J. Christie, the United States attorney for New Jersey, said at an afternoon news conference in the courthouse here.
As the suspects were charged before a United States Magistrate Judge, Joel Schneider, prosecutors described a complicated operation that was at once ambitious and meandering, marked by deadly weapons and a certain lack of sophistication. The suspects alternately declared themselves eager to sacrifice their lives in the name of Allah and expressed ambivalence, worrying about getting arrested or deported for buying weapons or possessing a map of a military base...".[source - New York Times, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/us/09plot.html?ex=1336363200&en=3b4af6b0b61c9abf&ei=5088&partner=r ] >>>.
 
These individuals who had earned trust for Muslims in Cherry Hill, N.J., but then destroyed it by proving themselves to be just hateful, greedy, and lustful for violence individuals. They have not only destroyed trust for themselves, but all Muslims in the psyche of those in the Cherry Hill, N.J. area. Most people in this area will of course do the prudent and circumspection thing - regard ALL Muslims with extreme suspicion until proven not dangerous - guilty until proven innocent. Is this bigotry? No, not at all, but is a learned reaction to a group of people some of whom have proven very dangerous in the past - strictly a defensive measure against perceived danger which is prudence.
 
Situation # 2, The murder of over 3,000 individuals and the destruction of the prettiest building in New York City on September 11, 2001 by a group of Muslims acting under the orders of a Muslim Sheik named Usama bin Ladin, and his subsequent launch of other murder plots.
 
The sociological fallout from this is of course the invoking of prudence and circumspection with respect to the group to which these belonged as all being dangerous and to be regarded with extreme suspicion until proven innocent. Some might wrongly call this bigotry, but it is not. It is simply people reacting to a perceived danger and the prudent and circumspection thing - regard ALL Muslims with extreme suspicion until proven not dangerous - guilty until proven innocent. Is this bigotry? No, not at all, but is a learned reaction to a group of people some of whom have proven very dangerous in the past - strictly a defensive measure against perceived danger which is prudence.
 
This prudent action is called generalization, and is a basic human reaction to perceived dangerous and/or disadvantageous situations. All humans do it, some consciously and others unconsciously - it is a built in by nature self preservation instinct.
 
CONCLUSION:
 
Groups must take action against their misbehaving members if they do NOT want to be adversely generalized as being dangerous as a measure of prudence and circumspection. If they fail to take sufficient measures against their misbehaving members, then they should be expected to be considered suspicious and dangerous until proven otherwise.
 
In the above cases, the members of the group they belonged to failed to take the necessary action against their misbehaving members and therefore they will reap the odious generalization by the world community at large for failing to do so. They should not blame others for being prudent and circumspect, but themselves for their failure to take preventative measures.
 
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COMBINATION OF THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND THE RARE FRUIT TREES AND VEGETABLES.   With the Scripture of the Day first.
 
[1]     SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 654A]
 
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.  James 1:25,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Yes, we must act in harmony with our faith as clearly shown by James 2:24 -26, [AV] “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25  Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26  For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”  To booster your faith, take note of the many fulfilled prophecies in the Bible and the fine works of many of the prophets of old.  
 
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[2[       Here is a Commentary on Bountiful Trees and Vegetables God (YHWH) has provided for mankind, specifically the Leucaena leucocephala (= L. glauca) is a tree legume native to the subhumid and humid tropics of Central America (5).
 
Its value as a high-quality protein forage in association with grasses is being investigated in tropical Latin America (2), Australia, Hawaii, and other countries (1).
 
A leaf spot incited by Camptomeris.  [source - retrieved from an abstract http://www.apsnet.org/publications/PlantDisease/BackIssues/Documents/1980Articles/PlantDisease64n04_414.PDF  on  1/09/2013]
 
Leucaena Sp., this is a large family of rare plants having many different forms.  Here is the data on one member of this family of plants, Leucaena leucocephala and cactus (Opuntia sp.) were evaluated as forages for rabbits based on growth, feed utilization, gastrointestinal tract (GIT) development, and carcass traits. A total of 64 purebred Altex and New Zealand White weanling rabbits were fed for 42 d. Experimental diets were 100, 90, 80 or 70% commercial pellets with corresponding levels of 0, 10, 20 or 30% leucaena leaves (dry matter basis), fed either with or without cactus offered ad libitum.
 
Weekly growth response slopes varied by diet but not breed. Control rabbits (100% pellets fed ad libitum with and without cactus) had improved average daily gains by 9.0 g/d (P<0.01), reached 1,800 g minimum market weight earlier by 6.5 d (P<0.05), and had heavier 42-d final weights by 371 g (P<0.01) than rabbits fed leucaena with and without cactus. In general, cactus did not significantly influence any of the traits studied. Pellet and gross (pellet plus forage) feed intake performance in control versus forage-fed pens depended on whether cactus was included in the diets (P<0.05). However, independent of the cactus effect, conversion of gross feed to total gains was improved in control versus forage-fed pens (P<0.01). Rabbits fed 10% leucaena (with and without cactus) had higher pellet and gross feed intake levels (P<0.01), whereas no differences existed between 20 and 30% leucaena diets. Rabbits on the 20 and 30% leucaena with cactus diets numerically consumed the least quantity of pellets per unit of body gain. Control animals had 2.0% higher carcass (P<0.05), 0.85% lower GIT (P<0.01), and 0.14% lower stomach (P=0.07) weights as percentages of pre-slaughter weight than animals fed 30% leucaena with and without cactus. Carcass and GIT traits were similar between control animals fed only pellets and those fed pellets and cactus (P>0.05). Rabbits fed 30% leucaena with cactus had 2.7% higher carcass weight (P<0.05) and tended to have 1.0% higher pelt weight (P<0.10) compared to those fed 30% leucaena without cactus. Breeds were not different for growth, GIT and carcass traits (P>0.05). [source - retrieved from an abstract at  http://www.fao.org/livestock/agap/frg/FEEDback/lrrd/lrrd10/2/luke102.htm  on  //2013]
 
In Genesis 1:11-13, "And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (American Standard Version, ASV)[for more details, go to  www.jw.org].
 
This is so rare a plant that there is not much information on it, and that which is available is from abstracts from Doctorate and Masters Thesis which do not give much general information.  They are limited to very specific items only.
 
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COMBINATION OF [1]  THE SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY AND [2]    Apostate (counterfeit) Christians and Islam Both Claim Homosexuality Is Wrong, But Tacitly Permit It
 
[1]      SCRIPTURE OF THE DAY [VOL. 656A]
 
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.  James 2:18,  [authorized King James Bible; AV]
 
Yes, our actions will show whether we have real faith.  We must live by faith, Habakkuk 2:2 - 4, [AV] “And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.  3  For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.  4  Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”  But we must believe in Almighty God’S (YHWH’S) promises and seek to do his will and not go chasing after false creeds and doctrines.  Yes, belief in His existence is insufficient as James 2:19 – 20 says, [AV] “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.  20  But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” 
 
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[2]       Apostate (counterfeit) Christians and Islam Both Claim Homosexuality Is Wrong, But Tacitly Permit It:
 
INTRODUCTION:
 
Both Apostate (counterfeit) Christians and Islam decry homosexuality as a sin, but tacitly permit it.   Now a dictionary defines tacit as:
 
TACIT:
 
implied or indicated (as by an act or by silence) but not actually expressed <tacit consent> <tacit admission of guilt>
[SOURCE - Marriam-Webster's On-Line Dictionary]
 
One brief statement that showed this fact but raised a lot of controversy since many did not want to recognize reality was,
 
<<<" I never back things that Almighty God (YHWH) disapproves of like gay marriages, the acceptance of gay men, and lesbians such as Bishop Fred Hiltz of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island does. You should well know that these things violate Romans 1:21-27, "because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (ASV). Nor do I agree with the Muslims at ######## site ########## of which the "The Middle East Times" says "GayEgypt.com has emerged as a key source of information and communication for the gay community in Egypt." It's a shame that the Muslim community as well as the apostate (counterfeit) Christian community tolerate such wrong doing.">>>.
 
Some Muslims claimed it was a great sin, and use,
 
Sura, 7:81, "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
 
And,
 
Sura 4:16,  "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful."
 
And some apostate (counterfeit) Christians claimed likewise, and indeed the Bible clearly shows it as such at Romans 1:19-28,
 
"because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them.
20  For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:
21  because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.
22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24  Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:
25  for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
27  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.
28  And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;" (American Standard Version; ASV).
 
But both groups in reality tacitly permit it as will be shown.
 
WHY IS IT TACITLY PERMITTED?
 
The answer is quite simple, they are just fooling themself, it is not what either the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an actually say, but how religious leaders be they priest and/or imams or muftis or what ever teach the people is the interpretation of what is written either in the Bible or the bible knockoff the Qur'an that matters and governs actions.   It matters not what the Bible and/or the Bible knockoff really say.   People go by what they are taught by their religious leaders.   Take the genocide committed by the Roman Catholic Church at the direction of their supreme religious leader, the pope, what mattered was not that the Bible clearly said at Exodus 20:13, "Thou shalt not kill." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), but what their religious leaders told them.   Therefore, it is the religion at fault, irregardless of what their particular holy book, be it the Bible or the Bible knockoff the Qur'an may say.   Neither in so called Christianity or in Islam are most individuals actions really governed in any way by what their particular holy book really says, but they are governed by the interpretation of their religious leaders.   Thus, knowing this reality, one would be either just plain stupid and/or dumb to even bother looking at a particular religion's holy book and expect the members would conform to it.   Take the Rig Vede and find me for example a Hindu actually conforming to it instead of the interpretation given to it by his religious leaders, like looking for a needle in the haystack per K.S. Lal, India's greatest historian.
 
APOSTATE (COUNTERFEIT) CHRISTIANS TACITLY PERMIT IT AS THEY ARE THOROUGHLY CORRUPTED:
 
As is well known, the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) has had a tremendous problem with homosexual priest going after little boys and the Archdiocese of Los Angeles's Cardinal, Cardinal Roger Mahony, said, per the news account,
<<<" By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer 49 minutes ago [7/15/2007]
 
LOS ANGELES - Cardinal Roger Mahony, leader of the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, apologized Sunday to the hundreds of people who will get a share of a $660 million settlement over allegations of clergy sex abuse.
 
"There really is no way to go back and give them that innocence that was taken from them. ... The one thing I wish I could give the victims, I cannot," he said.
"Once again, I apologize to anyone who has been offended, who has been abused. ... It should not have happened and should not ever happen again."
Mahony said that he has met in the past 14 months with dozens of people alleging clergy abuse and that those meetings helped him understand the importance of a quick resolution to what he called a "terrible sin and crime.">>>.
 
Of course this is but one example and most of the apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian faiths have similar problems and/or openly tacitly support the practice of homosexuality.   Some openly come out on behalf of gay same sex marriages such as Bishop Fred Hiltz of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, who openly approves of  gay marriages, the acceptance of gay men, and lesbians no matter what the Bible says.
 
This clearly proves what was stated in the introduction, that it matters not what the "Holy Book" of any religion says or does not say, but what does matter is what the doctrines and/or concepts the clergy of a group says and what the personal agenda of the clergy person is.
 
ISLAM IS THE SAME AS THE APOSTATE (COUNTERFEIT) SO CALLED CHRISTIANS IN  TACITLY PERMITTING IT AND LIKEWISE  THEY ARE THOROUGHLY CORRUPTED ALSO:
 
Let's look at the facts.    One member of Islam said,
<<<"homosexuality is considered as a worst sin in Islam and is not allowed.">>>.
 
Of course this is pure 'bull crap' as members of Islam run one of the biggest homosexual sites on the internet.
 
What I originally said on homosexuality in Islam and apostate (counterfeit) Christians,
 
For saying this, Muslims falsely accused me of posting a link to a porn site because they did not want to admit that there are many gays (homosexuals or queers) in Islam, but as you can see they love to point their fingers at others.   Now let's in brief look at some realities.
 
Now let's look at the reality within Islam:
 
<<<"Queer Jihad:
Queer Jihad, once called the Muslim Homosexual Resource Center, estimates that there are about 50 million gay and lesbian Muslims in the world. The number appears reasonable; it would include about 5% of the total membership of the Islamic faith. [2] The term "Jihad" can be translated into English as "struggle." The North American media have often mistakenly reported it as meaning "holy war.">>>.
 
<<<"Al-Fatiha:
Al-Fatiha is an "international organization for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Muslims, including those questioning their sexual orientation and/or gender identity, as well as their friends, families, partners, and allies." They feature three Email discussion groups: one is a general group, one is restricted to women, another is for men. They hope to work within the progressive wing of Islam "work in order to enlighten the world that Islam is a religion of tolerance and not hate, and that Allah (God) loves His creation, no matter what their sexual orientation might be." [4]>>>.
 
<<<"Queernet: a Gay-Muslim mailing list:
This was started on 1997-DEC. Its purpose is "to bring gay and lesbian Muslims together to communicate issues of common concern. By using our own individual experiences, our knowledge, and our faith in Islam and in Allah (God), the goal of this list is to bring two important aspects of our lives together. Being Gay and Muslim are not exclusive, nor are they an oxymoron. By participating in this list, the hope is that each and every one of us will realize that. God certainly does not discriminate, and indeed we can be both practicing Muslims AND still identify ourselves as being gay or lesbian."
It appears to have gone offline.">>>.
 
<<<"Gay and Lesbian Arabic Society:
"GLAS" defines itself as a "networking organization for Gay and Lesbians of Arab descent or those living in Arab countries. We aim to promote positive images of Gays and Lesbians in Arab communities worldwide. We also provide a support network for our members while fighting for our human rights wherever they are oppressed. We are part of the global Gay and Lesbian movement seeking an end to injustice and discrimination based on sexual orientation." They are based in New York City, and hold twice-monthly meetings in a community center there. GLAS has a online newsletter and a mailing list. [6]>>>.
 
References used in the above quotes:
1. "What is Islam's View of Homosexuality" Investigating Islam, at: http://www.islamic.org.uk/
2. Queer Jihad is a gay-positive support group for gay and lesbian Muslims. They have links to various mailing lists, essays on homosexuality, a bibliography of books on Islam and homosexuality. See: http://www.queerjihad.org
3. "Homosexuality & Islam," Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at, at: http://www.utexas.edu/This web site also appears to be defunct.
4. Al-Fatiha ("The Opening") is at: http://www.al-fatiha.org/
5. Pamphlet by Al-Fatiha at: http://www.al-fatiha.org/
6. "Welcome to the GLAS homepage," at: http://www.glas.org/ Their Washington DC chapter is at: http://www.glas.org/glasdc.html The New York City chapter is at: http://glas.org/
 
<<<"Al-Fatiha:
 
Al-Fatiha Foundation is dedicated to Muslims who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning, those exploring their sexual orientation or gender identity, and their allies, families and friends. Al-Fatiha promotes the progressive Islamic notions of peace, equality and justice. We envision a world that is free from prejudice, injustice and discrimination, where all people are fully embraced and accepted into their faith, their families and their communities. Founded in 1998, Al-Fatiha Foundation is a registered US-based non-profit, non-governmental organization." [source - http://www.al-fatiha.org/]
>>>.
 
And, the Miami Herald said,
 
<<<"http://www.miamiherald.com/578/story/150298.html
 
June 25, 2007
 
LEBANON  Beirut an enclave for gay tolerance.
 
Despite the country's political instability, gay men and women find a degree of tolerance, if not outright acceptance.
BY RAED RAFEI
Los Angeles Times Service
BEIRUT -- The Lebanese soldiers at the checkpoint peered through the barbed wire.
Across the street from these men in their fatigues and combat gear, another group of men had arrived -- revelers in hip-hugging pants and tight shirts on their way to Acid, an openly gay nightclub in east Beirut.
The soldiers barely reacted.
In Lebanon, homosexuality is becoming less of a taboo. It is discussed with much greater candor on television and radio talk shows.
New gay bars have opened, joining mainstays such as Acid, creating a flourishing nightlife that is attracting locals and foreign tourists alike.
''It's not that the political class is more open today,'' said George Azzi, a prominent gay-rights activist. ``But authorities, by portraying themselves as the new guardians of democracy and civil rights, find themselves rather bound not to attack gays.''
 
The 2005 bombing that killed former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri unleashed a political firestorm that led to the ouster of Syrian troops from Lebanon. But with its heady rhetoric about freedom and rights, the so-called Cedar Revolution also set in motion an unspoken cultural transformation.
Famous for its riotous nightlife, Lebanon has long been known as the most permissive of Arab countries. Many tourists from the Persian Gulf countries come to Beirut for the kinds of kicks they can't get at home.
Berto Kanso, a 27-year-old archaeology graduate, has made a business of charting these shadowy waters. He runs a gay-tourism website that offers advice on hotels, restaurants and gay bars in Lebanon. He e-mails travel updates to his contact list of 7,000 subscribers all over the world.
Homosexuality is still considered shameful in many places outside the cosmopolitan capital, and many gay men and women in Lebanon prefer to lead a double life rather than risk being ostracized.
''I am only gay when I am in bed with another man,'' said Kareem, 40, who didn't want to give his last name for fear of being persecuted. Kareem says he avoids going to gay clubs or being seen publicly with other gay men. Instead, he meets other men anonymously online.
''Many gay men suffer from homophobia in their surrounding,'' said Maha Rabbat, a psychotherapist who counsels at Helem, one of the few Arab associations to advocate rights for gays, lesbians and transgender people.
Not long ago, Lebanese security forces regularly taunted, and sometimes beat, gays. Those arrested were prosecuted under a law prohibiting ``unnatural sexual intercourse.''
The law remains on the books but is rarely enforced.
Despite legal uncertainties, Helem operates freely. Friday nights, undeterred by the heavy presence of police and soldiers, Helem members stroll Beirut's seafront promenade, distributing AIDS-awareness brochures and condoms to gay men and male prostitutes.
Some activists worry that the unresolved legal issues could become a problem.
''Any change in politics can set us back,'' Azzi said."[source - http://www.miamiherald.com/578/story/150298.html ]>>>.
 
A few Muslim gay (homosexual, queer) sites:
 
Al-Fatiha Foundation - International organization for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Muslims. News, events, chapters, and discussion groups at http://www.al-fatiha.org/ .
 
 Al-Fatiha Foundation News - News group from Al-Fatiha Foundation at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/al-fatiha-news/
 
Eye on Gay Muslims - "Principled, compassionate Islamic perspective" - a blog focusing on Islam and homosexuality, especially on same-sex attracted Muslims and those who affirm LGB identities at http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/
 
Homosexuality and Islam - An argument for putting homosexuality in perspective, that while it is sinful, it is not the worst of sins at http://www.geocities.com/mikailtariq/homo.htm
 
Huriyah Magazine - A Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual And Transgender Magazine For Muslims at http://www.huriyahmag.com/
 
 Islam and Homosexuality - Cites references to homosexuality in the Qur'an and Hadith, discusses history of Islamic legal treatment of sexuality, gives links to other sources at http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla.htm
 
Islam's Love-Hate Relationship with Homosexuality - Compilation of the actual treatment of homosexuals in Muslim countries. The difference between acceptable dominant homosexual activity and unacceptable mutual or affectionate activity at http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=5704
 
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Muslim Webring - Connecting sites by and for Muslims who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender at http://members.aol.com/gendervariant/faith/muslim/webring.htm
 
Safra Project - Resource for lesbian, bisexual and transgender Muslim women - Provides information on issues relevant to lesbian, bisexual and transgender Muslim women (& gay Muslims). Includes the scholarly work of progressive Muslims on 'Sexuality, Gender and Islam', and information on social and legal issues. See the Links button for many other sites dealing this topic at http://www.safraproject.org/
 
 StraightWay - Miscellaneous Resources - This is an annotated collection of links to articles on homosexuality by Muslims. It is part of a site dedicated to the struggle of straight, traditional Muslims against homosexuality at http://straightway.sinfree.net/resources/
 
CONCLUSION:
 
Some members of Islam are just OUTRIGHT LYING when they say,
<<<"homosexuality is considered as a worst sin in Islam and is not allowed. ">>>.
 
Because reality is that their religious leaders are tacitly permitting it and Islam even has its own Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual And Transgender Magazine, Huriyah Magazine.
 
Yes, apostate (counterfeit) so called Christians do likewise, but as shown at the beginning of this article, they do not lie about it as does Islam.   It is an open fact.
 
So what does all this prove, many members of Islam are just OUTRIGHT LIARS.
 
Of course the apostate (counterfeit) so called Christian groups are just as bad, but at least some of them are honest enough to admit their tacit approval of homosexuality.
 
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